Comments on: New Nonleathal Weapon Reconsiders the Thresholds “Nonlethal” http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/ Gadgets, gear and computer hardware. Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:56:24 -0500 hourly 1 By: geo http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-1084637 geo Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:12:46 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-1084637 the above 0.50 meters of webspace are the proof why the americans are the stupidest humans on earth the above 0.50 meters of webspace are the proof why the americans are the stupidest humans on earth

]]> By: audio1 http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-135531 audio1 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:50:38 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-135531 I've heard of an Asian country that uses high efficient horns placed up high, that have Class D amplifiers running them. When a crowd gathers, they power them up, and input an audio signal that is very painful to the ears, say around 2,000 hertz, (the frequency our ears are most sensitive at). Pain starts at around 110 db and becomes unbearable at near 140 db. The crowd's communication is shut down, and they disperse quickly. Cost: Much less than $40M. An example of this can be done within a car...usually 2 to 4 horns are installed in a car, and tied to the alarm. They produce a loud and painful sound, or siren inside the car: the thief(s) can't stop it, and can't think and jump out of the car to escape. I’ve heard of an Asian country that uses high efficient horns placed up high, that have Class D amplifiers running them. When a crowd gathers, they power them up, and input an audio signal that is very painful to the ears, say around 2,000 hertz, (the frequency our ears are most sensitive at). Pain starts at around 110 db and becomes unbearable at near 140 db.
The crowd’s communication is shut down, and they disperse quickly.
Cost: Much less than $40M.

An example of this can be done within a car…usually 2 to 4 horns are installed in a car, and tied to the alarm. They produce a loud and painful sound, or siren inside the car: the thief(s) can’t stop it, and can’t think and jump out of the car to escape.

]]> By: Gary http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-76926 Gary Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:27:35 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-76926 Wow, now I know what to get for Birthday presedent. Wow, now I know what to get for Birthday presedent.

]]> By: adi http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33930 adi Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:05:34 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33930 smells like burning! smells like burning!

]]> By: paperflowers http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33914 paperflowers Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:47:00 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33914 Dave, you make a scary point that I hadn't even considered. I am getting a pacemaker in a few months and the warnings don't include ADS. I'm guessing anyone who uses this device doesn't really worry about that though. Or if someone is disabled and can't turn around and run... You can't take the weapon out of weapon, regardless of how you spin it. Dave, you make a scary point that I hadn’t even considered. I am getting a pacemaker in a few months and the warnings don’t include ADS.

I’m guessing anyone who uses this device doesn’t really worry about that though. Or if someone is disabled and can’t turn around and run…

You can’t take the weapon out of weapon, regardless of how you spin it.

]]> By: Schrecken http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33876 Schrecken Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:32:37 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33876 "protesters roasting in front of an open microwave...." I guess we'll have to update that 'ol Christmas song.....:-0 But seriously, just imagine if people get hit with this thing and they haven't a clue as to where the sensation is coming from or what it is - people will be peeing their pants! You'd have to hope they would give a warning - not just roll up and blast away - at least with tear gas you can see the smoke, with nonlethal rounds you can see guns pointed at people - and then you would know which direction to run in. This thing would be pretty awesome if they miniaturize it so you could carry one around with you - imagine going hiking and driving off an angry bear, a vicious dog, or some creep intent on mugging you? Now that would be cool. But to protect yourself you'd either need to be completely sheathed in metal (those medieval suits of armor might come into vogue again!) like tin foil or you'd have to build yourself a portable faraday cage. Ever notice those little round holes in the metal screen in a microwave oven door? That's what keeps the radiation INSIDE the oven. So for ADS you'd need a really fine metal mesh, window screen perhaps or some sort of fabric with metal woven into it (imagine firing one of these off near some night club where people are all in glittery and sequined dress!). That said, it would be bitchin' to see what happens when someone gets blasted by this thing - I hope they declassify video of the testing one day - but hey, we might be able to see it on the nighly news first! “protesters roasting in front of an open microwave….” I guess we’ll have to update that ‘ol Christmas song…..:-0

But seriously, just imagine if people get hit with this thing and they haven’t a clue as to where the sensation is coming from or what it is – people will be peeing their pants! You’d have to hope they would give a warning – not just roll up and blast away – at least with tear gas you can see the smoke, with nonlethal rounds you can see guns pointed at people – and then you would know which direction to run in.

This thing would be pretty awesome if they miniaturize it so you could carry one around with you – imagine going hiking and driving off an angry bear, a vicious dog, or some creep intent on mugging you? Now that would be cool.

But to protect yourself you’d either need to be completely sheathed in metal (those medieval suits of armor might come into vogue again!) like tin foil or you’d have to build yourself a portable faraday cage. Ever notice those little round holes in the metal screen in a microwave oven door? That’s what keeps the radiation INSIDE the oven. So for ADS you’d need a really fine metal mesh, window screen perhaps or some sort of fabric with metal woven into it (imagine firing one of these off near some night club where people are all in glittery and sequined dress!).

That said, it would be bitchin’ to see what happens when someone gets blasted by this thing – I hope they declassify video of the testing one day – but hey, we might be able to see it on the nighly news first!

]]> By: Dave http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33801 Dave Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:34:35 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33801 You know, I wonder what effect this would have on pacemakers? I can just see it now, a front line of heart patients in wheelchairs used as a human shield against this thing because the rays would disrupt the pacemakers. You know, I wonder what effect this would have on pacemakers? I can just see it now, a front line of heart patients in wheelchairs used as a human shield against this thing because the rays would disrupt the pacemakers.

]]> By: Chris Tucker http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33665 Chris Tucker Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:13:18 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33665 Reynolds Wrap (Heavy Duty) foamcore board, duct tape and some info gleaned from Google about "Corner Reflectors", and MUCH countermeasure hilarity ensues! Reynolds Wrap (Heavy Duty) foamcore board, duct tape and some info gleaned from Google about “Corner Reflectors”, and MUCH countermeasure hilarity ensues!

]]> By: boxbeater http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33568 boxbeater Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:36:31 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33568 That is really cool....where are a bunch of hippies when you need em? Woodstock here we come! That is really cool….where are a bunch of hippies when you need em? Woodstock here we come!

]]> By: paperflowers http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33551 paperflowers Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:01:27 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33551 a weapon is a weapon. non-lethal vs. lethal? please take into account i realize that Americans are dying horribly and coming home with haunted minds, and broken bodies that will never be the same. that fact never escapes my mind. and i worry for the soldier that pulls the trigger on this non-lethal device, and his/her mind after seeing the impact. argue about physical damage vs pschycological damage even if it is in tiny bursts. regardless of studies, time and personal reaction to any kind of shocking event is imho unmeasurable. what if there are children in the crowd? what about PTSD? some are more succeptible than others. and yes i realize that real bullets pose the same and greater threat as well as death. its just not a clear black line to cross to call it non-lethal and somehow let that be humane. i want an easy way out of a nasty situation that is killing a heartbreaking number of people too. and no, i'm no expert and i don't have any answers. however, i'm little scared of our country coming off hypocrital by using even a tiny burst of terror to make people run, in a war that was started in the name of stopping terrorism (it doesn't matter whether you or i believed the agenda behind the war, the statements were made to the world). a weapon is a weapon. non-lethal vs. lethal?

please take into account i realize that Americans are dying horribly and coming home with haunted minds, and broken bodies that will never be the same. that fact never escapes my mind. and i worry for the soldier that pulls the trigger on this non-lethal device, and his/her mind after seeing the impact.

argue about physical damage vs pschycological damage even if it is in tiny bursts. regardless of studies, time and personal reaction to any kind of shocking event is imho unmeasurable. what if there are children in the crowd? what about PTSD? some are more succeptible than others. and yes i realize that real bullets pose the same and greater threat as well as death.

its just not a clear black line to cross to call it non-lethal and somehow let that be humane.

i want an easy way out of a nasty situation that is killing a heartbreaking number of people too. and no, i’m no expert and i don’t have any answers.

however, i’m little scared of our country coming off hypocrital by using even a tiny burst of terror to make people run, in a war that was started in the name of stopping terrorism (it doesn’t matter whether you or i believed the agenda behind the war, the statements were made to the world).

]]> By: Your Mom http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33490 Your Mom Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:53:11 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33490 This is easily defeated by an aluminum shield. Take a piece of wood...line it with tin foil..bam you are safe. Denots_Resol .....you are a traitor to humanity. You will be dealt with accordingly...you piece of sh*it.. This is easily defeated by an aluminum shield. Take a piece of wood…line it with tin foil..bam you are safe.

Denots_Resol …..you are a traitor to humanity. You will be dealt with accordingly…you piece of sh*it..

]]> By: Death Ray http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33448 Death Ray Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:36:43 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33448 Sounds like one of the weps used on the palestinians just a couple of months ago. I wonder if that murdurous rampage was for the testing of new weapons. I read reports that some of the civilian casualties had their insides cooked! WTF! Others had phosporous burns. Definetely not conventional bullets and shrapnel. The large militaries are using DU now in their munitions. I really really hope this causes the sterilizaton of the human race. We do not deserve to continue existance. Sounds like one of the weps used on the palestinians just a couple of months ago. I wonder if that murdurous rampage was for the testing of new weapons.

I read reports that some of the civilian casualties had their insides cooked! WTF! Others had phosporous burns. Definetely not conventional bullets and shrapnel.

The large militaries are using DU now in their munitions. I really really hope this causes the sterilizaton of the human race. We do not deserve to continue existance.

]]> By: Assman http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33400 Assman Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:46:50 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33400 ConDave, does it go all the way up to 11? ConDave, does it go all the way up to 11?

]]> By: Roxtar http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33397 Roxtar Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:39:27 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33397 What we need is a 'gun' that induces the feeling of pain, without actually physiologically causing damage (like the noise gun, but even that one, if used extensively, can cause damage.) The noise gun is a good idea, but I think it causes pain by decibels, which can destroy your hearing for good... maybe a noise gun that uses a frequency, like nails running down a chalkboard (or something to that effect) that can be heard and 'felt'. Or, if you REALLY want to make the enemy run in terror, we can just set up some loudspeakers playing Bush saying "Nucular Profilteration" over and over and over.... What we need is a ‘gun’ that induces the feeling of pain, without actually physiologically causing damage (like the noise gun, but even that one, if used extensively, can cause damage.) The noise gun is a good idea, but I think it causes pain by decibels, which can destroy your hearing for good… maybe a noise gun that uses a frequency, like nails running down a chalkboard (or something to that effect) that can be heard and ‘felt’. Or, if you REALLY want to make the enemy run in terror, we can just set up some loudspeakers playing Bush saying “Nucular Profilteration” over and over and over….

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33394 Anonymous Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:27:52 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33394 “It works by producing a wavelength longer than an x-ray, but shorter than microwaves." That's more than a little vague, the whole spectrum of UV, visible light, infrared and terrahertz radiation are all covered by that. “It works by producing a wavelength longer than an x-ray, but shorter than microwaves.” That’s more than a little vague, the whole spectrum of UV, visible light, infrared and terrahertz radiation are all covered by that.

]]> By: qrlx http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33324 qrlx Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:37:58 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33324 Does it work better on black people, mexicans and chinese, because of their dark skin? Does it work better on black people, mexicans and chinese, because of their dark skin?

]]> By: paperflowers http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33309 paperflowers Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:10:49 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33309 wow and i thought ECT was a pretty good deterant when you wanted someone to say goodbye and never come back... think of positive useful potential beyond military. those frozen burrittos, taquitos, pizzas, etc.. that are 10 for $9, you could buy 100 of those, some decent maragaritas and heat up the food with the device very fast. cheap fast party. take pot shots at annoying seaguls while drunk? or fill your managers pod with popcorn and aim it at the pod for a brief time for some mischief? it doesn't have to be a weapon. of course, it could be used to destroy the poppy fields in afghanistan, just make sure you aim it upwind and have lawnchairs and cheetos. ~paperflowers wow and i thought ECT was a pretty good deterant when you wanted someone to say goodbye and never come back…

think of positive useful potential beyond military.

those frozen burrittos, taquitos, pizzas, etc.. that are 10 for $9, you could buy 100 of those, some decent maragaritas and heat up the food with the device very fast. cheap fast party. take pot shots at annoying seaguls while drunk?

or fill your managers pod with popcorn and aim it at the pod for a brief time for some mischief?

it doesn’t have to be a weapon.

of course, it could be used to destroy the poppy fields in afghanistan, just make sure you aim it upwind and have lawnchairs and cheetos.

~paperflowers

]]> By: arbitrary http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33276 arbitrary Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:58:43 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33276 What a great way to make a protest appear to become violent without provocation, thereby allowing you to justify the use whatever force you feel like against them. Or you can just use it to cause a stampede, the mass of people will crush themselves. We need more scientists thinking of ways to kill, otherwise we'll have nothing to sell in twenty years. What a great way to make a protest appear to become violent without provocation, thereby allowing you to justify the use whatever force you feel like against them. Or you can just use it to cause a stampede, the mass of people will crush themselves. We need more scientists thinking of ways to kill, otherwise we’ll have nothing to sell in twenty years.

]]> By: Regnad Kcin http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33244 Regnad Kcin Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:36:46 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33244 Damn! I want one of those for deer hunting here in West Virginia! I can bring that buck home ready to put on the table and eat!!! Damn!
I want one of those for deer hunting here in West Virginia!
I can bring that buck home ready to put on the table and eat!!!

]]> By: MoronicPerson http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/comment-page-1/#comment-33224 MoronicPerson Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:00:06 +0000 http://crunchgear.com/2006/12/05/new-nonleathal-weapon-reconsiders-the-thresholds-nonlethal/#comment-33224 humans are pathetic. humans are pathetic.

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