CrunchGear

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I got nothing much else to say… you guys got me!

Jon

I’ve never understood the point of mini ashtrays, at least not in the US. I’ve seen posters from Japan and they are pretty crazy about smokers using ashtrays, not smoking near people, not smoking near cars with open windows.
Reminds me that I need to brave the rain and go buy a pack.

They should add a mini air freshener so that you can be like Chandler ! This won’t do anything for your bad breath or the emphysema that you’ll develop though.

I can see how it could be useful but I think it would just promote further smoking which is bad.

Amit

This should be really useful in Seattle, where we cant smoke within 20 @#$@in feet of a building much less indoors.
I am failing to see how that is going to conceal any odors either.

BPM,

It really won’t conceal odors, my guess is it’s to try and keep people from tossing cigarettes on the sidewalk.
Seattle’s smoking laws are such a joke, the 25 feet part of the law is never enforced.

Amit,
I don’t think an ashtray ever promoted smoking or got kids to start smoking.

You know, I really feel sorry for smokers. We spent several centuries saying it’s ok to smoke and then within a timespan of two decades we practically outlaw it. I don’t smoke, but I think on the whole, we’re treating smokers pretty badly. There needs to be more done to help “ween” them from the cancer stick while outlawing it at the same time, IMO.

how did a keychain ashtray become the arguement for/against smoking?

Kurt, I have NO pity for smokers in todays age… they know full well that they are not only PAYING to throw their health away, but are also ignorant to the fact that it’s most likely OUR tax dollars that are going to pay for their completely avoidable problems.

If it was up to me, if you are over the age of 20 years old right now and you smoke then by doing so, you agree that you will be refused medical care and treatment that is state sponsored for the rest of your life (unless you stopped smoking for at least X years). You pay the FULL price of anything that happens to you - it’s only fair as you paid FULL price to get yourself sick in the first place. Those tax dollars collected are a fraction of what it will cost in medical bills when you hit bottom. If you can’t afford it… tough luck - you can live the rest of your life knowing you PAID to screwed yourself up on purpose. Maybe you can send a letter to Microsoft and they can send you a brown Zune to match the color of your lungs.

The only people I feel sorry about are the children exposed by second hand smoke because “it isn’t that big a deal”. A key chain does nothing either way in my opinion when it comes to the smoking argument but having lost a grandfather who I loved dearly due to the tobacco cartel… when they knew full well what they where doing… this subject is dear to me.

Jon

Jon,

You’re wrong! For some reason everyone wants to think that smokers cost non smokers so much. in 1997 smokers generated over 7 billion dollars in tax revenues that you didn’t have to pay. And a Canadian study showed that “smokers support non-smokers at the tune of $4.3 billion — that’s 4,300 million dollars a year, net, after considering the extra health expenses!”

It must be nice standing on your pedestal of perfect living looking down on everyone else.

Ryan, I am not looking down on anybody but smokers are addicts in need of help, living in a dillusional world that “it won’t happen to me”. 60% of my relatives smoke… I have heard all the excuses and no matter what… their fate is sealed BY CHOICE. I look forward to rubbing it in their face so they realize the error of their ways and become proponents AGAINST smoking - teaching the younger generation to never, ever pick up the habit.

As you are well aware, statistics and studies are up to interpretation, of course you aren’t taking money “out” of the system… you haven’t smoked enough yet… if you want to keep smoking… fine… but don’t expect pity or subsidies coming out of your pocket for your lack of concern about YOUR OWN HEALTH.

If you don’t care about yourself and suffer from a death wish, that’s fine with me - it’s your life, not mine. But wake up before you end up on a respirator the rest of your life, having to drag around an oxygen cylinder. In the mean time, I will continue on my health crusade to stop people from taking their own health for granted.

Your own response indicates fear at being refused hospital treatment when you WILL become sick… reality suck huh? Get use to it - this shows my method would work!

Jon
ps: if you are not a smoker - why are you defending them? I am not talking about 60 year olds here, but the generation growing up KNOWING smoking is bad.

“their fate is sealed BY CHOICE.”

is it by choice? I smoke, yes that’s a choice; I drink, fairly often and fairly heavily, yes that’s a choice too. Both are bad choices and both are unhealthy. Regardless of my choices to drink and smoke and have unprotected sex with strangers, I’m going to die. Everyone does, my fate is not sealed by choice but by the mortality of man. Whether I go by lung cancer, liver failure, The HIV, attacked by highly trained bee/clock hybrids I’m going to die, just the same as you are.

I’m not afraid of being refused treatment by any means; I have no doubt in my mind that your wicked out libertarian plan for smokers would never happen.

That site has too much kanji for me to try and breakdown. :( And I’m not a smoker, so I wouldn’t have any use for it, but it got me thinking: if it were the size of a real mouse, I could use it as a nifty hard candy container so I wouldn’t have to dig in my bag or desk during work. :D

I am really friggin ecstatic that Ryan said what I have never been able to convince people. I have a question Jon, what is it that you’re trying to avoid by not smokign or drinking? death? because, heres a shocker. YOU WILL DIE ANYWAY. Probably at 85 when you cant wipe your own ass and when those lovely children you saved from global warming and the evils of smoking and drinking toss you in an old age people’s home where your perfectly clean lungs give out under the pressures of age. I guess thats better(?) than dying of another disease. And this moral high ground you and your treehugging friends have take n about refusal of treatment, can I choose to refuse treatment for those self righteous mongrels who use gas by the gallons and guzzle down tons of starbucks frappucinos and have somehow reached a concensus that those non-diabetic obese people using up actual tax dollars and no giving anything back to the economy are deserving of your moral orgasm. So Jon, why don’t you and every self righteous person on this forum create a chart, refusal of healthcare according to how much of a non-deserver you are based on what vice.