1.looking at the price of a internal bluray player and saying ps3 is a deal because of that,
- um you realize that internal player was A) also a burner B) MADE BY SONY, THEY CAN PRICE IT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE U THINK PS3 IS A DEAL

2.”"”"People seem to be overlooking the fact that PS2 is outselling Xbox 360. There are 100 million or so units out there and people own a ton more games than that. Will those people migrate to a 360 and lose the potential to play all the games they own?”"”"
-hm, you seem to be overlooking that if they own said ps2 games, migrating to xbox360 wont be “lose the potential to play all the games they own” as they own a ps2 already to play said games

3.”"”"One thing that kept me from buying the Xbox 360 when it came out was that I was required to “upgrade” my PC to Media Center Edition if I wanted to stream video to my TV from another computer. Microsoft is trying to force a PC upgrade just because you bought their game machine.”"”
-so because xbox has a streaming “feature” that requires a specific OS, you think its being forced on you?

4.”"”Dan, how are we forced technology again?”"”"
-i know im not dan but i can answer this one, you is being forced to buy a bluray player that sony developed an is in my belief still in a “beta” stage. its not something thats needed at all atm or within the forseeable future, its like inventing a car with no wheels cause theres hope in the near future for some type of hovering ability will be invented.

5. “”"”Let just lay out some facts right now for the 360 it cost 399.99 for the core and and that does not include the online service which costs like 50 bucks a month. You also have to pay for the the brick add on which is called an HD-DVD and the costs of that is 199.99. So within a year you have already payed way more the 360 than a PS3. The PS3 may look bulky but at least everything came in one box:)”"”
–the only thing that you got right here is the xbox360 costing $399,
–the xbox live service is 50$ annually, or $4.17/mo, or about 14cents a day, rough price considering we’re talking about 400-600$ game systems
–there is nothing that says “. You also have to pay for the the brick add on which is called an HD-DVD and the costs of that is 199.99.” its an OPTION(something sony didnt give you)

WTH – Good to know that HDMI to DVI converters work as input from a PS3 on some HDTVs. This work-around did not function correctly on the older HDTV we tried. Your’s working isn’t a miracle – just newer/better technology then is available in my house. I stand by my assertion that connecting PS3s to older HDTVs is problematic. And it isn’t just limited to connection types. If an HDTV doesn’t support 1080i/p, then PS3 movie playback will be in 480p. If an HDTV doesn’t support 720p, then PS3 games that only support 720p will only play in 480p. These aren’t issues with most newer HDTVs, but for early adopters that have older HDTVs these scaling and connections issues are show stoppers to enjoying an HD experience.

One thing that kept me from buying the Xbox 360 when it came out was that I was required to “upgrade” my PC to Media Center Edition if I wanted to stream video to my TV from another computer. Microsoft is trying to force a PC upgrade just because you bought their game machine.

These machines are both geared as much toward the Home Theater enthusiast as much as the gamer. Both allow streaming media from a PC over your home network, both are trying to attract the HD crowd, and both could pretty much replace your traditional “component” system (remember the good ol’ days of CD player, tape player, turn table, tuner, equalizer all in seperate components?).

One of the things I think PoPo is right on the money with (like a diamond in a coal mine) is that bandwidth is going to be the wave of the future. Why rent a DVD when you can just point, click and watch? I think the same will be true of games. Whether it’s Xbox, PC, Wii or PS3, the game makers want the revenue from all game players. Ultimately, all these systems will go the way of the 8-track, cassette player, cd player (who buys these any more when you can get an MP3 for $20) and yes, soon to be DVD player.

Back to the real question: What do you want NOW? I wanted a high-def player to augment my HD DVR and a new game machine. MS and Sony both offer that. With MS I had to upgrade my operating system on my PC for streaming content, so I went with the Sony. If the gaming machine is all I wanted, I probably would have opted for the 360 on price.

I would actually compare the current format war to the +R/-R format war in the CD industry. Eventually, consumers demanded that they both be provided in a player recorder. If I go to Netflix/Blockbuster online, they offer movies in both formats. Considering it cost less than $2 to print either format, availability of both will most likely be commonplace, although possibly not interchangeable (i.e. look at all the types of memory cards for cameras).

If Sony can include BluRay on a $499 playstation and Microsoft can sell an “add-on” HD-DVD player for $199, it only stands to reason that either model will sell in the “under $200″ category shortly.

One last point on High Def content. Over 90% of the televisions on the market today are HD. Within a few years, most content will be as well.

SubGenius Priestman, this data is actually reported by many independent gaming and tech sites: http://newtech.aurum3.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=364&Itemid=18, http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/12/prweb493000.htm. I can find several more articles if you want. I am stating fact, sorry. Before you claim someone else doesn’t read the news you should try to make certain you do first. And yes, big mistake, or as PCWorld called it, one of the top tech screw ups of 2006: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128265-page,1/article.html. You can spout numbers about game size or how great BluRay is, but regardless, it’s unnecessary. All other console formats and PC games can fit on DVDs, whether it’s one or a few. I would rather get 2 or 3 DVDs rather than invest $100s in a format that may not survive. And for movies, once more, DVDs will be around for some time. So you may want to do a little studying before you think you can teach anyone else anything.

And Ryan, the core costs $299, and you can’t say in one year your 360 will cost as much as the PS3 because you DON’T HAVE to buy the HD-DVD add-on – that’s the point. Maybe in 3, 4 or 5 years I will get a high-def player in whatever format is dominant, but I have no plans to play high def movies through my game system right now and I doubt many others do. At this time a high-def player is just an unnecessary high cost component. As for the PS3 games being as good as the 360, many independent gaming sites say they aren’t: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html?sid=6162742&click=topslot. But regardless, based on Sony’s claims and the high cost of the PS3, they were promised to be much better. PS3 games being only “as good” as the 360 is only one more reason to be angry with Sony. I’m not trying to push either system in this forum too, honestly. My first post made no mention of the 360, I just pointed out that Sony hosed people by forcing BluRay. But if you make comments against one system at least make sure they are accurate.

Also WTH? this would be a good read for you, Priestmans data and logic is flawed.

Move away from the gaming issue and look at the two technologies. Both have the capacity to support full HD movies on a single disc. Blu-Ray players cost between $750 – $1000 and movies cost $25 – $30, while HD DVD players cost $350 – $500 and movies cost $20 – $25. Many HD DVDs will play in a regular DVD player (part of the HD DVD standard). In addition, the current batch of movies arguably look better on HD DVD as they are using VC1 encoding while all the Blu-Rays are still using MPEG-2. Currently, Blu-Ray has broader studio support but there are more HD DVD movies available.

So which does a consumer purchase? The cheaper product with better graphics, more movies, and extra features or the more expensive product because it has better growth potential in the future (i.e., more content on a single disc, potentially more movies because of larger studio support). In the end, Matthew probably has it right – neither right now. There are only 20 million homes in the U.S. with HDTVs and less then half of those are viewing HD content of any sort (TVPredictions). If they cannot bother to tune-in the free over-the-air signal or purchase cable or satellite HD channels they certainly aren’t going to pony up the money for even the cheaper high definition DVD solution.

I have to agree with Priestman on this. Also the 360 and Wii are outselling the PS3 because there are more to sell.

Dan, how are we forced technology again?

Nukegnome, i have a PS3 connected to my TV by DVI, and i get 1080p, it must be a miracle.

“Now go back to your rhetoric! ” LMAO Good one Priestman.

OK here is a biased but straightforward blah blah… Its all about strategy, and not what potential the PS3 has. Microsoft is in a much better position… But I like the Wii, ( i own all 3 systems)…

1) Vista will allow publishers to make cames for xbox and pc’s (still #1 gaming machine) and use xbox live… (awesome); u can see the potential there? no?
2) Xbox live download… who the heck needs blueray or hd-dvd player, all I need is a fast pipe to my home (Verizon FiOS preferably) and I’m downloading all the high-def content I need. 20 GB is fine, for rental… see the potential there no? bluray (obsolete!)
3) 360 video infrastructure is much better than the PS3; 1080i is fine compared to 1080p. the 360 video potential is built superbly, wonder why Kenny K. from SONY wants to double the ram on a higher priced version.
(360 still plenty of potential, no?)
4) Ever heard of multiple dvd’s? Blue Dragon? Storage is not an issue… the quality of the games are… if I need 50 gb for a crappy game, no thanks. Look at Resistance fall of Man, I knocked that game (its a not bad game, just run and gun…) out in less than 12 hrs and its
~18 gb GOW is ~7 gb, and much better looking…. and much more fun! If all else fails, 360 can go with an internal hd-dvd if the market goes in that direction (potential no?)

Microsoft atleast is listening to the consumer, instead of putting root kits on ur computer or buring your balls when ur battery explodes on your lab. I have been that unlucky… so I have a bias against Sony…

Or if u want to believe the Sony Hype machine….
ITSSS BLUUUU RAYYYZZZZ.. CELLL PROCESSORR!!! BUY ROUNDEYE!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, me too.