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	<title>Comments on: One Editor&#8217;s Opinion: Your iPhone &#8220;App&#8221; Sucks</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-302748</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calm down buddy. its only a shopping list!</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-301754</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone hire Vince? Last time I visit this site. Vince is a dick! Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone hire Vince? Last time I visit this site. Vince is a dick! Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-283358</link>
		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with &quot;b&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-271059</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the side of Vince here. Not only is it a shit app but it&#039;s absolutely pointless and serves no purpose whatsoever on a phone. Even the so called &quot;Jesus Phone&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the side of Vince here. Not only is it a shit app but it&#8217;s absolutely pointless and serves no purpose whatsoever on a phone. Even the so called &#8220;Jesus Phone&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-270397</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince. You are a loser. Get over yourself. Better yet. Go fuck yourself. Goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince. You are a loser. Get over yourself. Better yet. Go fuck yourself. Goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-269061</link>
		<dc:creator>Dudley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I just happened upon this post.  WOW. I&#039;m with Neven... but, I&#039;ll say it stronger, cause you already have... CALM THE FUCK DOWN.  You are a championship asshole, dude.  Does NO ONE have a right (the heavenly sanction RIGHT) to come out with an application and have it appreciated for its simplicity and usefulness?  Do... do you want scrollbars?  Maybe you need drop-down menus?  Will that make you feel better.  You need a rattle too?

Do you want super-super-ajaxy-scriptaculous-goody-goodies all over everything, and its gotta bring down the sun and stars... oh, oh... and its gotta work flawlessly on Gnarly-Browser 4.1a, simply BECAUSE you can see it, so... its just GOTTA work?  Damn, get help.  Man, I don&#039;t even READ CrunchGear, but in case I ever happen upon the site again, hopefully I learn that your the *exception* to the rule about not allowing dicks.  Why you&#039;d even be an exception, I can&#039;t guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I just happened upon this post.  WOW. I&#8217;m with Neven&#8230; but, I&#8217;ll say it stronger, cause you already have&#8230; CALM THE FUCK DOWN.  You are a championship asshole, dude.  Does NO ONE have a right (the heavenly sanction RIGHT) to come out with an application and have it appreciated for its simplicity and usefulness?  Do&#8230; do you want scrollbars?  Maybe you need drop-down menus?  Will that make you feel better.  You need a rattle too?</p>
<p>Do you want super-super-ajaxy-scriptaculous-goody-goodies all over everything, and its gotta bring down the sun and stars&#8230; oh, oh&#8230; and its gotta work flawlessly on Gnarly-Browser 4.1a, simply BECAUSE you can see it, so&#8230; its just GOTTA work?  Damn, get help.  Man, I don&#8217;t even READ CrunchGear, but in case I ever happen upon the site again, hopefully I learn that your the *exception* to the rule about not allowing dicks.  Why you&#8217;d even be an exception, I can&#8217;t guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan V.</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-256997</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of that South Park episode about time-sharing on Aspen, and the band who kept approaching Stan and mocking him about how poor skier he is, though he never said anything to begin with.

You&#039;re basically like this guy (except in this case with laugh AT you, and not WITH you): http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule

The irony of this is, you just mocked some guy who prototyped an iPhone application (and didn&#039;t really demand your attention or claim it&#039;s the best thing ever or anything at all). 

In the process, you wrote an article that can&#039;t measure as &quot;good&quot; even on a &quot;I&#039;m a casual blogger who writes about random stuff that don&#039;t matter&quot; basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of that South Park episode about time-sharing on Aspen, and the band who kept approaching Stan and mocking him about how poor skier he is, though he never said anything to begin with.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re basically like this guy (except in this case with laugh AT you, and not WITH you): <a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule</a></p>
<p>The irony of this is, you just mocked some guy who prototyped an iPhone application (and didn&#8217;t really demand your attention or claim it&#8217;s the best thing ever or anything at all). </p>
<p>In the process, you wrote an article that can&#8217;t measure as &#8220;good&#8221; even on a &#8220;I&#8217;m a casual blogger who writes about random stuff that don&#8217;t matter&#8221; basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Adriano</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-256945</link>
		<dc:creator>Adriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Maybe you didn&#039;t watch the WWDC keynote where they announced iPhone will have the full Safari engine, run JavaScript and the ONLY way of making third-party iPhone apps will be through HTML/AJAX. Since the only browser for iPhone will be Safari, there&#039;s no need to make OneTrip work on anything else.

Which begs the question... what the hell is your problem? Are you just pissed off that someone had a good idea and it just so happens to fit exactly into Apple&#039;s description of iPhone apps or are you always such a dick? There is no SDK. There won&#039;t be an SDK. The app works, it&#039;s simple and it&#039;s handy. If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t use it. If you want to bitch about it, at least make some sort of a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Maybe you didn&#8217;t watch the WWDC keynote where they announced iPhone will have the full Safari engine, run JavaScript and the ONLY way of making third-party iPhone apps will be through HTML/AJAX. Since the only browser for iPhone will be Safari, there&#8217;s no need to make OneTrip work on anything else.</p>
<p>Which begs the question&#8230; what the hell is your problem? Are you just pissed off that someone had a good idea and it just so happens to fit exactly into Apple&#8217;s description of iPhone apps or are you always such a dick? There is no SDK. There won&#8217;t be an SDK. The app works, it&#8217;s simple and it&#8217;s handy. If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t use it. If you want to bitch about it, at least make some sort of a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Neven</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-256942</link>
		<dc:creator>Neven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vince,

Neven here, the guy who put together OneTrip. I have no idea what your problem is with me, with iPhone, or with my simple, free application I never advertised or marketed to anyone but a few friends (it then got dugg, and you know the rest), but I suggest you seek professional help for your anger and entitlement issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vince,</p>
<p>Neven here, the guy who put together OneTrip. I have no idea what your problem is with me, with iPhone, or with my simple, free application I never advertised or marketed to anyone but a few friends (it then got dugg, and you know the rest), but I suggest you seek professional help for your anger and entitlement issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-256262</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand Apple could make a proper phone not some lame ass piece of hardware with a nice interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand Apple could make a proper phone not some lame ass piece of hardware with a nice interface.</p>
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		<title>By: John Biggs</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255526</link>
		<dc:creator>John Biggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vesleaziano: He&#039;s making one for the iPhone soon! iPhoneWeather!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vesleaziano: He&#8217;s making one for the iPhone soon! iPhoneWeather!</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255432</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that it&#039;s &quot;You&#039;re a dick!&quot;

Hey, make a better &quot;iPhone application&quot; and maybe I won&#039;t be as harsh. Make a shopping list though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that it&#8217;s &#8220;You&#8217;re a dick!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, make a better &#8220;iPhone application&#8221; and maybe I won&#8217;t be as harsh. Make a shopping list though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Newsflash!</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255262</link>
		<dc:creator>Newsflash!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One readers opinion: Your a dick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One readers opinion: Your a dick!</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Vesleaziano</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255083</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent Vesleaziano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re totally right, Vince. Instead, what the world really needs is another fucking way to find out the weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re totally right, Vince. Instead, what the world really needs is another fucking way to find out the weather.</p>
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		<title>By: Phlipper</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255061</link>
		<dc:creator>Phlipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, who are you really mad at? Are you really mad at this poor little fledgling developer, or are you mad at Vince, the little Vince who lives inside? Let little Vince out. He wants to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, who are you really mad at? Are you really mad at this poor little fledgling developer, or are you mad at Vince, the little Vince who lives inside? Let little Vince out. He wants to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, Shiira uses Webkit for rendering so, yes it would work the same as in Safari.  I just tested it with Firefox (with a spoofed useragent) and as the developer says, it doesn&#039;t work so looks like it does only work in Safari (or other Webkit based browsers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, Shiira uses Webkit for rendering so, yes it would work the same as in Safari.  I just tested it with Firefox (with a spoofed useragent) and as the developer says, it doesn&#8217;t work so looks like it does only work in Safari (or other Webkit based browsers).</p>
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		<title>By: webonics</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255037</link>
		<dc:creator>webonics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iPhone&#039;s Safari should support JavaScript since it supposedly is supporting AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML).

The app itself...boring.  I think we&#039;ll see lots and lots of third-party apps (mobile sites) for iPhone with the vast majority being total junk much like Palm experienced.

The nice thing about these apps is that there is no SDK and its universal.  But the downside for Apple is there is no SDK and its universal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iPhone&#8217;s Safari should support JavaScript since it supposedly is supporting AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML).</p>
<p>The app itself&#8230;boring.  I think we&#8217;ll see lots and lots of third-party apps (mobile sites) for iPhone with the vast majority being total junk much like Palm experienced.</p>
<p>The nice thing about these apps is that there is no SDK and its universal.  But the downside for Apple is there is no SDK and its universal.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard G</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-255032</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as skeptical as the next guy about closed platforms, no matter how sexy the iPhone is. 

That said, the app actually works ok in Safari(Win), and I could see it being useful on the iPhone if:

1) it loads in under 2secs (with CSS/small grafx on EDGE it shouldn&#039;t be too bad, especially w/ caching for later launches)
2) it really does remember your state 
3) page transitions are as fast as they are on the desktop. 

It&#039;s a rare moment that I&#039;m w/o EDGE service, so I could see myself using it.

What I&#039;m holding onto like grim death is that Apple will continually push software updates to the phone, opening up new apps/features. I don&#039;t mind paying $5 here or there for IM, etc, if it really does work. 

That said, I&#039;m not entirely won over from my BB 8700, or from buying the BB 8800. Minus the cool browser, it does almost everything else (Google Maps, Gmail, decent mail (not HTML), great IM (for Yahoo at least).  The keyboard is dying though so a switch is imminent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as skeptical as the next guy about closed platforms, no matter how sexy the iPhone is. </p>
<p>That said, the app actually works ok in Safari(Win), and I could see it being useful on the iPhone if:</p>
<p>1) it loads in under 2secs (with CSS/small grafx on EDGE it shouldn&#8217;t be too bad, especially w/ caching for later launches)<br />
2) it really does remember your state<br />
3) page transitions are as fast as they are on the desktop. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a rare moment that I&#8217;m w/o EDGE service, so I could see myself using it.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m holding onto like grim death is that Apple will continually push software updates to the phone, opening up new apps/features. I don&#8217;t mind paying $5 here or there for IM, etc, if it really does work. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not entirely won over from my BB 8700, or from buying the BB 8800. Minus the cool browser, it does almost everything else (Google Maps, Gmail, decent mail (not HTML), great IM (for Yahoo at least).  The keyboard is dying though so a switch is imminent!</p>
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		<title>By: John Biggs</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-254996</link>
		<dc:creator>John Biggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vince got a little excited over this app, but I told him to take the flames when they come. What do you guys think of this? Is the app a little premature? a good proof of concept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vince got a little excited over this app, but I told him to take the flames when they come. What do you guys think of this? Is the app a little premature? a good proof of concept?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/06/12/one-editors-opinion-your-iphone-app-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-254967</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince - I hope your not being paid by CrunchGear. If you are, and you call yourself a journalist, CrunchGear is being bent over. How about giving the guy a little slack and keeping you personal opinions on your own blog? The sarcastic tone is really demoralizing. If the guy wants to write shity software, let him. You don&#039;t have to buy it. If you want to slam it, do it with some class and objectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince &#8211; I hope your not being paid by CrunchGear. If you are, and you call yourself a journalist, CrunchGear is being bent over. How about giving the guy a little slack and keeping you personal opinions on your own blog? The sarcastic tone is really demoralizing. If the guy wants to write shity software, let him. You don&#8217;t have to buy it. If you want to slam it, do it with some class and objectivity.</p>
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