MMR vax…when to do it? vax fillers? and more
Sep 26, 2007 2:17 PM

FPRIVATE “TYPE=PICT;ALT=Click to view romaellie’s profile” romaellie 27 posts since
Sep 19, 2007
This is a response I gave to a poster off-board. Just as a preface, I am a vaccine educator, childbirth educator, doula and mother of 4. If anyone would like to ask queston personally, please email me at am at thebirthsource dot org.
Do you
believe the concern is the thimerisol or other
ingredients in the MMR vaccine?
Thimerisol is just one ingredients to be concerned about. As someone who
grew up with a mercury allergy, I am so grateful my mother listened to her
instincts back “in the day” when no one questioned anything. I suffered
severe muscle degeneration as a result, but with the help of an MD/homeopath
made a complete recovery and also got rid off all my allergies, altho was
left with candida that I passed onto my children and have subsequently had
to detox them from. So as a mother, when I began researching vaccines, it
all made sense why I was such a mess as a kid. The aluminum and msg in the
vaccines also raises many flags. aluminum being closely tied to dementias
of the brain is not comofrting, and msg being very heavily linked to adhd is
also disturbing. I have attached (I hope you ahve publisher, ifnot please
let me know) a more detailed description of vaccine fillers and what they
do, but below I paasted a list of fillers that your child would get if you
gott all vaxes recommended (this is excluding the flu and hpv vaccine).
Below that, I pasted the ingredients in 4 manufactuers MMR vaccines. The
reason why the MMR vaccine is more a culprit for autism than others, is the
fact that measles and mumps (mumps more especially) significantly changes
the gut flora during the illness, expect because the vaccine is acquired
through unnatural means (via boodstream vs. saliva) the body has a harder
time excreting the illness, and some children (very autistic kids
especially) never excrete the virus at all – it is always present in their
gut, altho they are asymptomatic of the diseases on the outside. The
thimerisol (which all vaccine vials are still washed in, only not reported
because it’s considered at to minute a level to list on ingredients), as
well as the other fillers, on top of the mumps and measels virus is just
sealing the deal, so to speak. I am still in the proces of trying to find
out what manufacturers are using instead of thimerosol, is it any safer,
does it do the same thing to the gut and brain as thimerosol so
manufacturers can say “look it wasn’t the thimsisol after all. Yes, they
took it out, but what did they replace it with????
Additionally, I believe introducing a virus via a unnatural pathway
(injected into the bloodstream vs. obtained through normal pathways ie nose,
mouth, etc) produces an unnatural response and the immune system has a
difficult time making the most of the illness and actually stimulating any
response at all. For example, when you get the chicken pox naturally, you
have a very high chance of a lifetime immunity (altho I personally got it
twice, but the second time actually conferred immunity). TO receive an
attenuated strain via an abnormal pathway, you receive no such benefit, and
are never immune from the virus, thereby putting you are greater risk of
death and morbidity as an adult, and putting your unborn babies at risk
during pregnancy. This is the same with measles, mumps and rubella. To be
honest with you, I would welcome these viruses into my home,a s I did the
chicken pox virus – my children are healthy and could handle the illnesses
quite well. It would break my heart to know that my grandchild had a brain
injury due to my daughter contrating rubella during pregnancy instead of as
a child as nature intended (which by the way, the rubella vaccine is not
given routinely to fertile women and we are all at risk because rubella is
not a typical childhood illness anymore). Or they die of measles as a 70
year old because they never were conferred the immunity as a child. Yes,
you can receive boosters every 4 years for the rest of your life (and expose
yourself to toxins throughout your life thereby increasing your risk of
diabetes, arthritis, etc), but the failure rate with them is high. So to
introduce a virus in such an unnatural way is really risky, in my opinion.
You mention delayed
immunization. Why would this be better?
I am a big supporter of delayed vaccination (if you are going to vacinate at
all) for many reasons, not the least of which is that it lowers the childs
risk of SIDS. Until the early 80’s, Japan did not vaccinate until age 2,
and SIDS was an unknown event in that country. Once they started
vaccinating infants, SIDS was turning up frequently. While no study was
done to determine causative effect, that was the only notable difference
within the society at the time, and an association can certainly have been
made. Other reasons would be, a more mature immune system that would allow
the child to combat and excrete toxins, as well as a more developed brain.
From infacy to childhood, the gut is slowly beginning to produce bile, which
is a major factor in excreting toxins. This process really isn’t matured
until about age 7 (when most parents notice that benign illnesses like runny
noses, coughs, etc virtually disappear except one or two times a year vs 4
or 5 times). Age 7 is actually the optimal age to vaccinate because of that
reason alone. If a child’s immune system was functioning high enough at
birth to handle a bomboardment of all these illnesses that are injected, why
are people (medical community as well) so paranoid about people washing
their hands before holding a baby, or restricting children from seeing their
siblings at the hospital. Why not just sneeze and cough on a baby like
adults do on each other without a second thought? BEcause their immune
systems are not developed, and it can be worse for them to get sick, then an
otherwise low risk 15 year old.
When would you
recommend the MMR?
Ideally, as I explained above, I wouldn’t recommend it at all for a healthy
low risk child. The risks really come into play in adulthood. If anything,
adults that are not immune should be routinely vaccinated, not children.
Rubella is such a benign illness, most people have had it and not even known
it. The main, and usually only symptom, is a rash behind the ears. Measles
and mumps if acquired after puberty, carry an increased risk of infertility
and death and deafness. As a child, the only risk is deafness – and immuno
compromised children are really the only ones at true risk for this
complication. If I personally were to vaccinate, I’d only do it with the MM
at puberty. Rubella as an adult is nothing – the risk is to unborn babies.
The risks of not getting MM as a child are greater than the risks of getting
it as an adult. WHy these adults, who are not immune to illnesses because
they have been vaccinated, aren’t worried about acquiring the illness is
beyond me. Because the chicken pox vaccine is only 40% effective, and is
taking out 40% of the poplulation of children from spreading the virus, the
vaccine is actually putting the adult public at greater risk. Had we left
well enough alone, and kids kept on getting chicken pox and becoming immune
as children the way nature intended, adults and unborn babies would not be
at risk. This is the same with measles and mumps. My husband got chicken
pox as an adult because his mother never exposed him because she thought his
immune system was too weak as a child. I can’t tell you what an awful
experience that was for both of us. Had he just been immune as a child, I
would ahve been so grateful. Nonetheless I am glad he got it in his mid
20’s verses in his 70’s when it could ahve either killed him or damaged his
liver beyond repair.
We are really playing roullete when it comes to vaccines and altering what
nature gave us. You are trading one set of risks, for another, much higher
set of risks in my opinion. Not only in that auto immune diseaeses are on
the rise because of it, but now the entire adult population is at risk of
much worse side effects than if acquired as a child. So when I hear mumps,
measles, pertussis, etc is on the rise, it makes me think…..is it really?
Or is it being diagnosed better (I can’t tell you how many kids I’ve seen
that have been diagnosed with “mystery coughs” from the pediatrician that
was really whooping cough because the pediatrician had no idea what it
looked like and nothing to treat it), and also I think – if the vaccination
compliance has pretty much stayed the same (As it has), isn’t that proof
that the vaccines aren’t working anyway, and really if it was, please let me
know who’s infected so I can expose my healthy children and confer immunity
on them for the rest of their lives, rather than always having to be worried
about during pregnancy and as an elder. Yes, there are some illnesses I
wouldn’t expose my children to such as dpitheria and polio (whcih, by the
way is esentially meningitis), but because the media and medical community
have done such a good job of keep most parents ignorant and afraid, parents
are deathly afraid of very managable illnesses, that in the end are very
beneficial to acquire.
If my child wants to go vaccinate themselves as adults, I say go for it. It
is their choice, even if I wouldn’t be in agreement with it. But at least
their risks as an adult of being vaccinated are greatly reduced comapred to
being vaccinated as a child, and the risk of an adult acquiring the illness
is greater, so I would be passively understnading of that choice. But as
long as I am responsible for their health, I will try to really immunize
them (through natural means of acquiring the illness) as best I can. SO far
we have the chicken pox and rubella down – they no longer have to worry
about that as an adult. There is never true immunization through
vaccination, even though the PR campaign of calling vaccines immunizations
would lead you to believe it. Children and adults are never immune from
anything so long as they are vaccinated.
Please let me know if you ahve further questions – I have much more research
and handouts I can attach and email,
Amy
Vaccine Fillers and Ingredients
from mercola dot com
In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the
vaccines, here are the fillers:
1. aluminum hydroxide
2. aluminum phosphate
3. ammonium sulfate
4. amphotericin B
5. animal tissues:
pig blood
horse blood
rabbit brain
dog kidney
monkey kidney
chick embryo
chicken egg
duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
6. Betapropiolactone
7. fetal bovine serum
8. Formaldehyde
9. formalin
10. gelatin
11. Glycerol
12. human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
13. hydrolized gelatin
14. monosodium glutamate (MSG)
15. Neomycin
16. neomycin sulfate
17. phenol red indicator
18. phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
19. potassium diphospha
20. potassium monophosphate
21. polymyxin B
22. polysorbate 20
23. polysorbate 80
24. porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casei
25. residual MRC5 proteins
26. sorbitol
27. Sucrose
28. thimerosal (mercury
29. tri(n)butylphosphate,
30. VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells
MERUVAX II Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372.
Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human
diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).
M-R VAX Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company,
1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin.
Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating
from human aborted fetal tissue).
MMR Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccination. Merck & Company,
1-800-672-6372. Produced using sorbitol, neomycin, and hydrolyzed gelatin.
Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating
from human aborted fetal tissue).
MUMPSVAX Mumps Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372.
Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human
diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

MMR AND AUTISM: The link really has been established
Categories
Control tactics
Practical Health
The Nature of Government
Vaccinations
…”No doubt in the spirit of the public’s right to know, government officials will be broadcasting the latest findings as loudly as they did the Madsen conclusions. Strangely, they have been silent thus far.”..
Will be sending more on the Danish shenanigans more shortly.
Yet again we see on whose side the governments really are. The brain washing of the masses (a primary role it seems of all governments) is such that no amount of evidence is enough to move us into action unless of course one is affected – as they well know that most will not act till after the fact…. Sad.
Chris Gupta
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A new study has confirmed a definite causal link between the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism – and it has used the same data employed by an earlier study that governments have relied on to deny the link.
The vaccine increases the risk of autism by 850 per cent, or nearly 500 per cent if we allow for greater diagnostic awareness, one of the major arguments put forward for the sudden increase in autism.
This conclusion contradicts that of the Madsen study carried out in 2002, which found no link, and which governments have gratefully clung to ever since.
So why the enormous discrepancy between the two trials? Autism is usually diagnosed only at age 5 or older, or it is in Denmark from where the data for both studies has been gleaned. The Madsen study monitored the progress of vaccinated children in Denmark only for four years, so it’s hardly surprising that few, if any, cases of autism were established. Less severe cases, which might have become apparent even later, were certainly not included in the findings.
The new study, carried out by American paediatrician Dr Fouad Yazbak and Dr G S Goldman, tracks levels of autism in Denmark from 1980 – seven years before the MMR vaccine was introduced in Denmark – until 2002. Prevalence of autism among children aged from 5 to 9 stood at 8.38 cases per 100,000 in the pre-vaccine years of 1980 to 1986, and then rose to 71.43 cases by the year 2000.
Dr Samy Suissa of McGill University had similar problems with the Madsen study. When he analysed the statistics he discovered that the rate of autism increases to a high of 27.3 cases per 100,000 two years after vaccination compared with just 1.45 cases in non-vaccinated children.
No doubt in the spirit of the public’s right to know, government officials will be broadcasting the latest findings as loudly as they did the Madsen conclusions. Strangely, they have been silent thus far.
(Sources: Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, 2004; 3: 70-5; New England Journal of Medicine, 2002; 347: 1477-82).

The MMR/autism controversy: should we believe the IOM?
Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.
Autism Research Institute
4182 Adams Avenue
San Diego, CA 92116
You have seen the headlines:
Panel Finds No Link Between Childhood Vaccines, Autism (New York Times)
No Links Found Between Childhood Vaccine, Autism (Los Angeles Times)
US Expert Group Rejects Link Between MMR and Autism (The Lancet)
Is it true? Has the autism/MMR link been scientifically disproved? Absolutely not!
The above headlines refer to a report published by the heretofore respected Institute of Medicine (IOM), a branch of the National Academy of Sciences. You may be thinking: If a prestigious independent group such as the IOM rejects the autism/MMR connection, there must be good reason for doing so. Why shouldn’t I accept that verdict?
You shouldn’t accept the verdict for several reasons. One is that the headlines are wrong-the IOM did not reject the hypothesis that the MMR is a possible cause of autism. The headlines were based on a press release written by individuals with suspected links to the vaccine manufacturers, and did not accurately reflect the actual statement by the IOM itself.
Representative Dan Burton, who has conducted intensive investigations of the evidence linking vaccines to autism, and had insisted on excluding from the IOM panel those with a conflict of interest, was furious when he found that individuals with ties to the vaccine manufacturers had distorted the position of the IOM report to make it appear to wholly reject the autism/MMR link. He noted that two of those who issued the press release appeared to have ties with the vaccine manufacturers, and he has vowed to determine the extent of their conflict of interest. Burton’s very normal grandson became autistic soon after receiving in one day multiple vaccines containing 40 times the acceptable level of mercury.
The IOM report actually said: “Although the committee has concluded that the evidence favors rejection of the causal relationship at the population level between MMR vaccine and ASD, the committee recommends that this issue receive continued attention…. its conclusion does not exclude the possibility that MMR vaccine could contribute to ASD in a small number of children…”
This is an exceedingly weak statement, considering the evidence at hand (see below), but it certainly does not reject a causal link. (And what does “at the population level” mean?) Autism currently occurs in about one child in 130, far above the 1-in-2500 figure reported in the 1970s and 1980s, before the MMR triple vaccine was introduced. And 1 in 130 is quite consistent with what both the IOM and the vaccine critics claim: “MMR may cause autism in a small number of children.” The IOM statement thus supports, not refutes, what the MMR critics contend. Despite the headlines, the safety of the MMR is clearly not assured. The media have been duped by the medical establishment’s spinmeisters, with the intentional complicity of the IOM.
It is the medical establishment’s burden to have proven that the vaccines are safe, not the critics’ burden to prove them unsafe. Safety testing should have been done 20 years ago, when the MMR triple vaccine replaced the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines which were given separately, over a period of time, and when the number of vaccines was 8 rather than 22. As we pointed out in ARRI 15/1, the UK expert panel charged with evaluating the safety of the MMR said, “Being extremely generous, evidence on the safety [of the MMR] was very thin,” “The granting of a product license was definitely premature,” and, “In almost every case observation periods were too short to include the time of onset of late neurological or other adverse events. Interaction between vaccines had not been considered adequately with multiple vaccinations and potentially ill-equipped immune systems.”
A spokesperson for the Journal of Adverse Drug Reactions, in which the above statements appeared, stated, “All the reviewers conclude that something needs to be done about the MMR, and that there is a case to answer against the vaccine.”
The fact that the IOM report was misrepresented by the drug industry’s spinmeisters does not exonerate the IOM from having shirked its responsibility to report that:
The MMR had not undergone adequate safety testing.
The practice of injecting increasingly large numbers of vaccines-many containing large amounts of mercury and other toxins-into the bloodstreams of immature infants was never evaluated for safety.
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a travesty; fewer than 10 percent of side effects are ever reported.
Thousands of U.S. and U.K. families say-and can demonstrate with videotapes and photos-that their children were normal prior to being vaccinated, reacted badly to the vaccines, and became autistic shortly after.
A number of clinical laboratory studies demonstrate that vaccines may cause chronic damage to the G. I. tract, immune system, brain, and other organs. Several such studies have been reported in past issues of the ARRI. Wakefield, Sabra, Singh, O’Leary and Kawashima are among the authors whose work documents lingering vaccine effects on children on the autistic spectrum, compared to normal controls.
The IOM report pays little heed to this evidence, instead focusing attention on several deeply flawed epidemiological studies. None of the laboratory studies were mentioned in the popular press reports.
Why did the IOM stoop to issuing such a devious, misleading report, thereby incurring a permanent blot on its credibility? The IOM is an instrument of mainstream medicine, and mainstream medicine has an enormous stake in the public belief that vaccines are safe. During the past decade, mainstream medicine has suffered a hemorrhage of patients who have been flocking to practitioners of alternative medicine. Too often have prescription drugs been found more dangerous than the illness. When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye.
Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families. I can’t wait.
Be that as it may, the parents of today are confronted with the question: “What do we do about vaccinations?” Even as I write these words, the California legislature is conducting hearings to decide if two more vaccines, Hepatitis A and Prevnar, will be required before children can be admitted to day care or kindergarten. Parents of vaccine-injured children are opposing these measures. When will it end? Profit, not public health, is the goal of many who advocate the use of all of these unnecessary vaccines.
Alternative medicine provides a much more rational approach to preventing disease-including the diseases that are a direct result of vaccines-bolstering the immune system. Even during the most horrific epidemics-the bubonic plague, smallpox, polio, and AIDS-most humans escape death, despite exposure to the pathogen. Why? Obviously, because their immune systems were competent to defend the body. That is the immune system’s job. Can we enhance the immune system’s capacity to defend us? Of course! Rely on nutrients, not drugs.
As we have pointed out previously (ARRI 12/1), providing the immune system with the nutrients it needs by means of a high quality multiple vitamin/mineral supplement, with extra amounts of vitamins C, A and E, as well as extra selenium and zinc, can make a big difference in your-and your child’s-vulnerability to pathogenic viruses, bacteria and yeasts. Such fortification of the immune system is especially important in the weeks preceding and following vaccinations. The Autism Research Institute has compiled, from several reliable sources, advice to parents concerning vaccinations. To receive a copy, send a self-addressed, stamped business size (#10) envelope marked “vaccine advice” to ARI.

A former Government medical officer responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the Government of “utterly inexplicable complacency” over the MMR triple vaccine for children.
Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, “the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history”.
He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety trials for parents’ lawyers, he had received and studied thousands of documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see.
He said he has seen a “steady accumulation of evidence” from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children.
But he added: “There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves.”
His warning follows reports that the Government is this week planning to announce the addition of a jab against pneumococcal meningitis for babies, probably from next April. It is also considering flu jabs for under-twos – not to protect the children, but adults they may infect.
In the late Seventies, Dr Fletcher served as Chief Scientific Officer at the DoH and Medical Assessor to the Committee on Safety of Medicines, meaning he was responsible for deciding if new vaccines were safe.
He first expressed concerns about MMR in 2001, saying safety trials before the vaccine’s introduction in Britain were inadequate.
Now he says the theoretical fears he raised appear to be becoming reality.
He said the rising tide of autism cases and growing scientific understanding of autism-related bowel disease have convinced him the MMR vaccine may be to blame.
“Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,” he said. “There’s no one conclusive piece of scientific evidence, no ’smoking gun’, because there very rarely is when adverse drug reactions are first suspected. When vaccine damage in very young children is involved, it is harder to prove the links.
“But it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There’s far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so.”
‘Why isn’t the Government taking this massive public health problem more seriously?’
Dr Fletcher said he found “this official complacency utterly inexplicable” in the light of an explosive worldwide increase in regressive autism and inflammatory bowel disease in children, which was first linked to the live measles virus in the MMR jab by clinical researcher Dr Andrew Wakefield in 1998.
“When scientists first raised fears of a possible link between mad cow disease and an apparently new, variant form of CJD they had detected in just 20 or 30 patients, everybody panicked and millions of cows were slaughtered,” said Dr Fletcher.
“Yet there has been a tenfold increase in autism and related forms of brain damage over the past 15 years, roughly coinciding with MMR’s introduction, and an extremely worrying increase in childhood inflammatory bowel diseases and immune disorders such as diabetes, and no one in authority will even admit it’s happening, let alone try to investigate the causes.”
He said there was “no way” the tenfold leap in autistic children could be the result of better recognition and definitional changes, as claimed by health authorities.
“It is highly likely that at least part of this increase is a vaccinerelated problem.” he said. “But whatever it is, why isn’t the Government taking this massive public health problem more seriously?”
His outspokenness will infuriate health authorities, who have spent millions of pounds shoring up confidence in MMR since Dr Wakefield’s 1998 statement.
But Dr Fletcher said the Government is undermining public confidence in vaccine safety by refusing to do in-depth clinical research to rule out fears of MMR damage to children.
He added that the risks of brain and gut damage from MMR injections seem to be much higher in children where a brother or sister has diabetes, an immune disorder.
“That is a very strong clinical signal that some children are immunologically at risk from MMR,” he said. “Why is the Government not investigating it further – diverting some of the millions of pounds spent on advertising and PR campaigns to promote MMR uptake into detailed clinical research instead?”
Now retired after a distinguished 40-year career in science and medicine in Britain, Europe and the US, Dr Fletcher said that without such research, health authorities could not possibly rule out fears about MMR.
He said: “It is entirely possible that the immune systems of a small minority simply cannot cope with the challenge of the three live viruses in the MMR jab, and the ever-increasing vaccine load in general.”
He said he had decided to speak out because of his deep concern at the lack of treatment for autistic children with bowel disease, as revealed in The Mail on Sunday two weeks ago.
He called the sudden termination of legal aid to parents of allegedly vaccine-damaged children in late 2003 “a monstrous injustice”. After agreeing to be a witness for the parents, he received thousands of documents relating to the case.
“Now, it seems, unless the parents force the Government to restore legal aid, much of this revealing evidence may never come out,” he said.
The Department of Health said: “MMR remains the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella. It is recognised by the World Health Organisation as having an outstanding safety record and there is a wealth of evidence showing children who receive the MMR vaccine are no more at risk of autism than those who don’t.”

Mercury?
THIS one is utter BS. Plenty of kids without immunisations get it.
It’s *really* genuinely not related.

wrt EM/Wifi/similar – It would be my guess that this isn’t the case.
It’s mainly happening to a specific portion of the population. White, middle class male children.

Males get it in a ratio of about 4 to every one female.
The autistic spectrum has been widened.
Asperger’s Syndrome is now looked on as just as scary as serious autism. Bill Gates has Aspergers – I know he’s not a stellar example of normality, but the point is, the degree to which we consider these things serious is very important in our statistics.

People don’t have a clear distinction between Autism, Aspergers, Rhetts or PDD NOS (Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified) – but PDD NOS is a very broad catch all and has to be used with massive caution.

Don’t be too surprised… cell phones were never safe to begin with but companies and gov’ continue to mislead the people, check it out here:

This article backs up the dangers imposed on people and the autism theory.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/aug2007_report_cellphone_radiation_01.htm

That and technological growth of the past thirty years or so have made geeks more economicaly viable, and thus more desireable as marriage partners. Which means that you have more geeks than ever having kids.

(That and ‘new age’ parenting skills where they try and ‘reason’ with some acting out little brat instead of putting the fear of god into the little monster. )

However, and citing a recent study done in Israel on a correlation between Autism and the older first time fathers, has anyone examined the correlation between autism and Eastern European Jewish/Central Asian Kazak ancestry? I ask because as a group Jews are in fact remarkably inbred, and as such do indeed have predespositions towards certain diseases, Tay-Sachs disease is one well known and documented example.

Could Autism be in fact a genetic artifact of certain ethnic ancestry?

Just asking.

(I’ll probably get flamed for this one.)

This issue cannot simply be dismissed out of hand because you don’t like the implications.

10 years later.

Several studies proved that X is dangerous.
Honestly, we are surprised… How could we have known?!?!?

Replace X with DDT, asbestos, etc…

DAMN PESTICIDES!

http://www.switched.com/2007/04/30/wi-fi-laptops-a-danger-for-kids/

Thing is, I’ve yet to see a link to the journal where this latest report comes from. Now, if it were published in the New England Journal of Medicine, that’d be different.

The paper sets out to demonstrate that spending time in non-EMF environment leads to lower levels in various heavy metals in our body. The hypothesis is that the electro-magnetic fields somehow stop this clearing from happening normally. The authors them make a HUGE leap of faith by saying that if this happens, it also supports the hypothesis that it was EMF that made those heavy metals get locked in the body in the first place. This does not logically follow from the first hypothesis.

I didn’t have time to check the paper in detail, but what strikes me as suspicious is that the authors only try to find corroborating evidence for their claim, not falsify it as would be the normal scientific practice, their references to how this process of heavy metal clearing works and how it or lack thereof is linked to autism are vague, and finally, they only show a couple of trends that are statistically significant at the 0.5 level. And given the number of measurements they do, are probably fluke. And as they have no control data (measurements from people who aren’t in these low-EMF conditions) there is no way to tell if what happens is normal or takes place because of the treatment.

And, even if the non-EMF environment (which they said they verified being so by making measurements, which curiously enough weren’t presented in the paper) has an effect to the concentrations of metals in the body, the link from there to autism remains tenuous, and there definitely are no grounds to suggest that WiFi or any other kind of EMFs cause autism.

Now, I’m sure we don’t fully understand the way in which electronics and wireless communication affects our bodies, but this kind of crap science will not help. It only helps the scaremongers and snake-oil peddlers that seem to be cosy with the good Dr Carlo, although they say at the bottom of this page they have no affiliation. http://www.emf-health.com/dr-george-carlo.htm

In fact, the mechanism (or one of the mechanisms?) is pretty well understood, as has been mentioned on multiple posts. Radiation increases the permeability of the blood brain barrier, allowing toxins through, most notable albumin, which cause measurable pathologies in mammalian brains.

Google “Nerve cell damage in mammalian brain after exposure to microwaves from GSM mobile phones,” (Salford, et. al. 2003) and you will find one of the papers discussing this. It’s not a joke, it’s not junk science. It’s a real effect that has been studied for over a decade.

Yes, there is junk science out there. Yes, there are other factors at work. This is the reality of the difficulty of Biology – there are so many variables at work, and the “noise” (actual real biological variation) is astounding.

As for this particular link – yes, Matt Drudge is a muckraker. (In other news, water is also wet.) And I have no idea if the study that started the thread is legitimate.

But the general ignorance, sarcasm, meaner-than-thou, and completely callous attitude (it seems people have stopped caring about killing or hurting other?) is taking us in the wrong direction. And growing chasm between those who know, and could help, and those who are willfully and damagingly both ignorant and self-righteous, is bringing us to a place that, I think if most people thought about it, we don’t want to be.

Most people actually want health. And most people want peace (or peace of mind). I’m pretty sure this is true. The basis for this – aside from compassion – is understanding. Mosts of the posts are sorely lacking on both accounts.

Stop YELLING. Start thinking.

The same UN which just happens to support every racket which takes money from successful, achieving nations, and gives it to the dictators of nations so they can then go to the red light districts of the acheiving nations. The same UN which cat-al-gore-ically denies that the sun has anything to do with global warming, while they continue to spout climate data which has since been corrected by the data collectors to not supprot their position. The same UN which has finally announced that they overblew all the AIDS numbers because it meant more money flowing from successful countries to flea ridden dictators.

Or a researcher, who probably doesn’t stand to make money from this, …

hmmmmmm … He could really make a lot of money if he blamed the metal accumulation on global warming, or he could get a book tour if he blamed George Bush.

But then again, its good to know that if I need a collection of metal, I can harvest someone’s brain.