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I haven’t had any real problems with it…

I just got a new Macbook with Leopard installed 2 weeks ago. It’s been absolutely fantastic! No hardware conflicts, the fan rarely ever comes on since it stays so cool, time machine works great, 3rd party apps work without a hitch…I wish it worked out better for you though. I’m just thrilled to have made the switch from Windows and all of it’s device problems and software driver conflicts.

Same here… Only major problems I have had was with Kodak Easy-Share applicatons and iTunes crashing while playing a CD. I know the iTunes thing should have happend, but it is not enough for me to damn the entire OS.

So get a grip! You probably have 60+ more apps installed and they are conflicting with each other.

I haven’t had any problems either. All these people bitching and moaning are doing it for attention.

Peter Ha’s posts are the most worthless post. Several times a week I contemplate removing crunchgear from my rss feed after reading his posts.

I run firefox, photoshop, adium and my rss reader? 60 programs? WTF did you get that from, cw?

cya later, iva!

I’ve had a couple of performance problems, but nothing serious. I’ve done clean installs on a couple of my machines for the first time in years and it works better from a clean install. That’s a single clean install once every two years vs about once every 6-8 weeks with XP.

And it’s better than Vista.

“….You probably have 60+ more apps installed and they are conflicting with each other….”

I am not a MAC user, never have been, but I am laughing my ass off thinking that 60 apps is alot.

This does alot to reassure me that I am correct in believing that all the MAC is good for is typing docs, email and pretty pictures.

I have tons of apps on my XP machine with custom Motherboard, graphics, sound, etc etc and it all works, Have not seen a BSOD in four or five years and never a crash.

So far the only bitches that I’ve heard from have been from technology columnists. Slow week? Can’t find something else to moan about?

@chuck

Being a Mac and Windows user (and unix) I am also completely in awe on why having lots of apps would be an issue. But your post does reassure me that you are a complete idiot.

(one laptop and one desktop running leopard with no issues - matter of fact my sleep problems on my 11 month old MBP have completely gone away)

Haven’t had any problems since they updated the graphics drivers. I really, really like it. I must confess that I did not upgrade my old iMac, but have it installed on a brand new iMac.

Had 0 problems w/ tiger, and I am actually crashing on leopard. It was an azureus incomp. I hear ya Peter. The usual OS upgrade stuff I can live with for now however.

And whats with people whining/threatening to stop reading CG? Who really cares?

<3

I can’t say I’ve had any serious problems either, and I upgraded from Leopard. I’ve had my MacBook overheat in its case twice now, but I assume that’s because I closed my MacBook before it had a chance to fully shutdown.

Bought my first Mac 6 months ago and really like it, but it’s got its fare share of issues. Running permission repairs all the time is just weird. Much better fit & finish than MS though. XP is (for once) a solid MS operating system IMO, but Mac’s won me over and was a much better solution for me than switching to Ubuntu or Debian as a desktop. NTFS sucks anyway and who’d want to go back to that?

uh…yeah…make that “upgraded from Tiger”… :P

You have become my favorite blogger for this post.

I haven’t had any major problems with Leopard. I used Tiger for about a week, maybe two (I am new to Mac) then bought the upgrade to Leopard.

The only problem that I continually have is in FrontRow. When trying to listen to audio podcasts, the screen goes black and can’t go back to the desktop. But other than that, it works good, I guess. Much better than Windows at least for me.

I am happy so far. I have noticed that my Macbook runs slower when opening some apps like iTunes, etc. Also the startup time is a little longer. But I like having TimeMachine, the new iCal, the new Mail, and some of the other great tweaks! I think it will get better and better as they work out the kinks.

“I’ve done clean installs on a couple of my machines for the first time in years and it works better from a clean install. That’s a single clean install once every two years vs about once every 6-8 weeks with XP.”

Please stop using computers. You’re clearly not qualified.

You admit that your MacBook has issues so wouldn’t it stand to reason that your issues are hardware related.

- works great for me.
- seems to work good for others.
- you’re a whiner and a shitty writer.
- thank god for Gizmodo.

you’re an idiot

Sounds like it’s time for you to go back to Windows…. Thanks for playing!

@peter ha is an idiot:

“- seems to work good for others.
- you’re a whiner and a shitty writer.”

You comment on the writing abilities of others, only to leave gold like “seems to work good” in the same damn comment? Wanker.

Keep doin’ your thing, Peter. As a long time mac user also suffering from some nasty issues following an upgrade to Leopard, I enjoyed the article.

Eat it, douche.

10.5.1 has fewer problems than 10.4.1 did, which had fewer problems than 10.3.1 did.

x.1 is always rushed, x.2 is the best time to jump ship. Thank you for being a “gamma” tester for those of us too chicken to live on the cutting edge of x.0 or the bleeding edge of beta.

Honest, Peter don’t descend to name calling. You are a paid writer/bloger after all.

But your problem does sound like a hardware issue.

I am using Leopard on several Macs with no “major” issues, other than the usual point release issues that Apple and developers are smacking down.

My business partner had a ton of problems, reinstalled numerous times, before he ran a number of utilities and discovered his hard drive was slowly failing.

A quick trip to Best Buy, minor surgery on his MacBook Pro and he is now humming along nicely.

When you see the dreaded flashing question mark, it usually indicates something major is wrong, not just a “bug” in the OS.

Good luck and enjoy Tiger.

“Leopard has too many kinks and it’s not worth the headache. It pisses me off that Apple has screwed up so badly. I’d rather go back to XP then use this shit anymore.”

Replace Leopard with Vista and Apple with Microsoft, and you have the substance of a lot of other posts I’ve seen. Perhaps Apple isn’t the bee’s knees?

“Leopard has too many kinks and it’s not worth the headache. It pisses me off that Apple has screwed up so badly. I’d rather go back to XP then use this shit anymore.”

Replace Leopard with Vista and Apple with Microsoft, and you have the substance of a lot of other posts I’ve seen. Perhaps Apple is more like ‘other’ companies than you’ll admit.

Let poor Peter alone. He’s HUMAN. He’s a HUMAN being.

That said, I have had no problems with my Mac Pro or my Powerbook G4. The G4, surprisingly, has given me the fewest problems and I had no more hard restarts than I ever had with Tiger on the Mac Pro. Sometimes Firefox or mail begins eating the choard - and don’t get me start about Mail.app and IMAP - but Time Machine works just fine, it’s nice to know it’s there if I need it, and all is right with the world.

We lick a lot of Apple taint over here at CG, just as much as Giz does, but Apple is not all cheese and roses. Their mighty mouse bites and their hard drives do konk out quite a bit - i’m on my second powerbook HD, btw, which I replace all by my lonesome - and their design sucks because it requires a PhD in ID to tear down and rebuild one of their laptops, ipods, or AppleTVs. What ever happened to the days where you could unscrew one screw, put a stick into a hole, and pull out the keyboard to access the laptop’s innards. Oh well.

Otherwise, Leopard is really messing up PHa’s MacBook and I don’t know why. I DO suspect it’s his hard drive, though.

You can’t judge Leopard fairly based on its performance on a dying hard drive.

And the only reason Time Machine needs you to format your external hard drive is you’ve got it formatted in some retarded non-Mac format like FAT32 that would cause Time Machine to lose important data. My external hard drive was HFS+, and Time Machine just worked.

What a dork!!
I have installed 23 leopards in the last few weeks and EVERYONE is happier than when they were on Tiger. You have a shitty laptop - that is the problem. If you have a great OS on bung hardware - it won’t work properly.

Done. Get a new laptop loser.

Leopard is stable here. Over 21 days without a restart. Not bad for a .0 release. Spaces and Quick Look have improved my productivity.

Yep. I agree:
http://www.atharkhan.net/2007/11/23/giving-up-on-leopard-and-upgrading-back-to-tiger/

I love Leopard. That said, it is a flaky beast at times. Nothing serious, just a handful of annoying issues. I installed it on a four-year-old iBook and two one-year-old iMacs and its new features have improved usability. The 1 gig iBook is actually faster than it was with Tiger.

As for your issues, they do sound like they’re hardware related (although how that equates with Tiger working on the same machine I can’t say.) I’ve experienced none of the issues you are struggling with on my three machines.

My old PowerBook G4 was on death watch under Tiger, I was getting I/O errors from my hard drive every hour or so which would freeze the system for 2 to 3 minutes at a time. Assuming it was a hardware error I was shopping for hard drive replacements, and even considered giving up and just buying a new MacBook. About this time I got a copy of Leopard and figuring I had nothing to lose decided to wipe the PB and do a clean install.

It now runs like a brand new machine. Best upgrade I’ve ever done.

Thanks Leopard! And thanks Apple!

Peter Ha is a little bitch. That’s all there is to it. :)

On a serious note I really haven’t had any issues except for the stupid Spaces bug (where random applications just decide to go MIA). But, it hasn’t been happening as much since the last update.

I would suggest resetting your SMC after any new install… Leopard rocks for me, none of the issues you suggest have I seen on my black Macbook (C2D).

In the end this is a pretty shitty post though — I’m a daily CrunchGear reader and as much of a Mac fanboy as I am I will admit when something doesn’t work right. Sounds like someone jacked off on the keyboard one too many times.

I’ve a had a couple of kernel panics related to Airport on my MacBook, but the panics have never happened whilst I’ve been actively using the computer so no data loss there. Still sub par for Apple, but it’s far from the pain of wishing to plunge a knife into my own heart in order to cease the suffering I must go through to use a Windows machine. And, for me, Leopard is a big enough improvement over Tiger that I’ll continue to use it despite this Airport problem, which I would guess is on Apple’s radar for fixing right now.

All this negative press over Leopard really brings out the opinions of those who are out of touch with technology trends and markets, I find it all highly humourous, especially seeing Microsoft’s latest R&D budget of 7.1 billion dollars. That’s a lot of potential for Ray Ozzie to do something to eclipse his success with the Lotus apps. Whilst Apple, rightly or wrongly, marches on with a bloody minded vision and purpose ….

Stick to iPods Steve Jobs.

LOL. This is the funniest, if not poorest-written Leopard review I’ve read yet.

The flashing question mark comes on *before* the OS loads. You have a hardware problem. OS installs / upgrades (on any machine) can expose hardware problems that already exist - under Tiger, key OS components would be in the hotfiles cluster of HD - that part of the disk might be working fine, but the part where the OS is nominally installed might not.

Either way, your experience is nothing like what I’ve seen.

Sounds like you have a hard drive problem not an OS problem. So far none of the machines I have been using Leo on have had major hard disk breaking issues.

Do you hear the hd reading and writing a lot?

You may be making a mistake to misdirect a problem with your disk at the OS and the could be that you fail to catch the problem before you lose a lot of data.

Have you tried to test the drive with Disk Utilities? Does it pass the drive test? If it doesn’t, no amount of reinstalls will help. If it does not pass you need Disk Warrior and to rebuild the disk catalog. http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/

Another option if the catalog is damaged is to back up everything off the drive, do a clean install and then put stuff back.

What does the Smart Disk indicator say? That can tell you if your drive is close to failing. If does not say “Verified” or your drive sounds at all abnormal the best thing to do is to buy a new drive, put it in the computer and then transfer your old stuff from your old drive to the new one. Do this before the drive totally fails, when this would be a total lose of data.

“Another option if the catalog is damaged is to back up everything off the drive, do a clean install and then put stuff back.”

opps meant:

Another option if the catalog is damaged is to back up everything off the drive, **reformat the drive**, do a clean install and then put stuff back.

No big probes here and I’ve had t running on several systems since October. It runs better and faster than Tiger ever did. I’d say you must have something else gumming up your system.

Going to the startup disk preference pane and telling the machine where the startup OS folder is will probably get rid of the flashing question mark.

The rest of this “rant” doesn’t match my experience with Leopard at all. I have 5 machines running it with nary a problem. These range from G4 iBooks to G5s, Macbooks and Macbook Pros.

No problems in my reality. I have installed Leopard on 5 Macs, including a G4 iBook, G4 Powerbook (Aluminum), G5 iMac, Intel Core 2 Duo MacBook and an Intel Core Duo Macbook Pro. Each install went flawlessly and each machine is running problem free. For me it has been at least as stable as Tiger. Of note though, I did update all my third party software first, before installing Leopard.

All these ranting tech writers with Leopard issues is a little suspicious don’t you think? They can’t all be idiots can they?

It’s good to know that just because YOU don’t have a problem with it, then anyone who does is an idiot. Turds.

I’m ready to upgrade my two home computers — to Tiger. There are two reasons for the wait: money and bugs. By now, I can safely assume that all the kinks have been worked out. Tiger has worked flawlessly on my Powerbook since 10.4.5. Now that I can buy Tiger for $15, I’m ready to make the jump. I’ll probably wait till 10.6 arrives before I upgrade to 10.5. Then again, Leopard may not be ready. For now, Leopard is unofficially a “dog.”

“Why does my keyboard not respond half the time? It’s because Leopard is a piece of shit. It thrills me to know that my MB’s keyboard could go at any t