Penn Jillette, the long-haired half of Penn & Teller, is a quiet, sincere, restrained man. He’s known for his controversial thoughts on all manner of things, from politics to religion to the colorblind. Sony has launched a new video site called Crackle and has Jillette as a featured video blogger. The idea is that Jillette will “live blog” his life with the four HD camcorders Sony has provided him with, and he’ll post these clips, unedited, to the site. he’s got a handful up now, which you can check out at Penn Says, and his goal is four a week. We hope he can make it.
After Sony’s announcement, where Penn swallowed a bean and then worked it into his nasal passages and then expunged it via his right eye socket (really), talked about Mormons and their “magical underwear”, and having sex with a nun while a prominent Democratic presidential nominee wathces, we were allowed a couple of minutes to sit with Penn and Crackle’s Senior VP of marketing, Jonathan Shambroom. They were gracious and friendly, and totally NSFW. He started by trashing that other site. It was awesome.
Matt: Thanks for meeting with us lowly bloggers, we appreciate it.
Penn: Yah, thanks for talking to me. Which blog is yours again?
Matt: CrunchGear, the gadget arm of TechCrunch.
Penn: OK, you’re not the one with “gadget” in the title, good! F*** those guys, they keep sending me all kinds of emails, something-gadget. I hate them. Glad you’re not them.
Matt: No, we’re not them. I like your show Bullshi*t though, especially the Bible episode. It’s maybe my favorite episode of anything on cable ever.
Penn: Oh, thanks for that. Thanks a lot, that’s very nice of you.
Matt: So do you guys have a pitch, or can we just ask our questions?
Jonathan: Nope, whatever you want to do, go for it.
Devin: Awesome!
Matt: Yah, that’s maybe not a good thing to say to guys like us. We’ll start talking about things like “2 Girls, 1 Cup” or something.
Penn: “2 Girls, 1 Cup” is nothing, man.
Matt: Have you seen it? I’ve got a copy on my iPod if not.
Penn: I’ve seen it, man. I’m an old carnie, I’ve seen worse in real life. If you really want to watch a video that’ll give you nightmares, google “One Got Fat.”
Jonathan: One gut fat? Like, gut?
Penn: Got. Like became. “One Got Fat”. It was produced by the US Government and they showed it to grade school kids. Watch it and think about that. The stuff I do is tame.
Matt: I’m writing that down. Thanks for that.
Penn: You’re very welcome.
Matt: By the way, just a warning, the guy coming in after us is a Mormon.
Devin: Yeah, we were making fun of Mormons and he mentioned he’s from Utah and we were like, “Um, are you Mormon?” And he is.
Penn: Really!? Great. Thanks. You know, I have friends who’ve f*cked just about everything, catholics, jews, muslims, you name it. But none of them have ever f*cked a Mormon girl. Ex-Mormons, sure, but no Mormons. What is that?
Matt: They’re afraid of going to Hell if they take off their magical underwear.
Penn: I guess so, or something. Why just them? It’s like you’ve got to f*ck your friends just to make sure they’re not Mormon.
Matt [to Devin]: You heard the man, drop trou and let’s see if you’re Mormon. Penn, you want to watch?
Devin: Well they did say we could do anything.
Penn: You think I won’t call your bluff, but you’re mistaken. Let’s see you guys go for it.
Devin: OK, I’m gonna blog it.
Matt: If it’s OK, then let’s start with the technical stuff. Sony’s given you a few cameras, four you said, to record your thoughts. After you’re done with the video, do you have help editing it? Do you give it to someone to clean up or anything?
Penn: Nope, not at all. It records on to one of those little card thingies–
Jonathan: A Memory Stick
Penn: Yah, a Memory Stick. So I put it into my computer and just upload it to the site. That’s it. They add a header and a tail at the end, and I think the legal guys look at it for a minute so they can pull things when I say I’m going to f*ck a nun with Hilary Clinton watching, but otherwise, it’s just me.
Matt: Cool, so it’s “raw” as they say. What format is it going to be shown in? I’m guessing Flash streaming?
Jonathan: Yah, it’ll be — it’s in Flash now. We’re launching with content today, which went live just a few minutes ago.
Matt: Ok, another question, more off topic: Is Teller jealous?
Penn: Is he jealous? Not really. I mean, he’s directing Macbeth right now, which he’s always wanted to do. He’s doing it at the Jersey Theater, and then in DC. He’s doing a supernatural, horror-film take on it, which he’s wanted to do since he was eleven. I’d love to be doing that, but I’m doing this instead. So he’s not jealous of this any more than I am of that. We all do our things and that’s that.
Matt: Well that’s awesome, I saw a vampire-themed version in Olympia years ago that was actually really good.
Penn: Vampires? Wow, I haven’t heard of that one, but I’m sure Teller has, he’s an expert at this stuff.
Matt: When will the video of today’s announcement be available on the Web?
Jonathan: Hopefully later today. This week for sure.
Matt: So you’ve got these cameras, are you going to have one backstage, or does that violate some sort of “Magician’s Code” or something?
Penn: There is no “Magician’s Code.” The code magicians live by is the same as the code you live by and I live by: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [Yes, he quoted it verbatim, and didn't miss a thing. Rad.] I mean, I could tell you how Criss Angel does half of his tricks but you already know, you go on YouTube.
Anyway, I’ll have the camera, so I can show what I want and not show what I want. It’ll be backstage.
Matt: Well, we’re here at CES. Have you been on the floor yet?
Penn: No, I’m like in that one Beatles movie: I’ve been in a car, a room, a room, a car, a room, a car, a room, a room, a room, a room. I haven’t set foot on carpet not owned by Sony in awhile.
Devin: That might become a pattern.
Matt: Well who has?
Penn: Right. I might check it out. I don’t know.
Matt: Well, that kills my “what have you seen at CES that you like” question, doesn’t it?
Penn: Yah, I guess so. What about you? What have you seen?
Matt: A couple neat phones, but the best thing is the saddle thing from last night.
Devin: Yes! The saddles!
Jonathan: What thing?
[At this point I pulled my camera out and showed them this photo which I offered without comment yesterday.]
Matt: We think it’s some sort of game controller. I hope they are, anyway.
Penn: Those are great! We have to find those!
Jonathan: What do they do?
Devin: Show them the video, dude!
Matt: We took this last night as we were leaving.
[Please, watch the video below. We're still not sure what they're for.]
Penn: That’s great. I don’t know what it is, but that’s great. Wow.
Matt: CES, man. So then, here’s one: What cell phone do you carry?
Penn: Oh, a Treo. This one here. It’s purple.
Matt: That appears to be a 755p, from Sprint.
Penn: I dunno, it’s purple. That’s how I select my electronics.
Matt: Great, that’s just perfect.
Penn: I also have an 80GB iPod and like 3 or 4 Apple TVs at home. I love that thing.
Matt: Me too.
Penn: I’ve got a touch, and I guess it’s a flash-memory thing, but they’re only 16GB. That’s not nearly enough.
Matt: See, that’s the thing: there are two different inds of iPod owners. I have a Touch and it’s fine for me. But you want control over your music and have it all with you all the time. I just fill it up and use it as a soundtrack.
Penn: I guess, I mean, I have a half-terabyte of music at home — all legally purchased, no limewire or anything — and they give me an iPod that’s 80GB and want me to use it. How can I possibly do that? What if I want to listen to Tiny Tim and follow it up with Gladys? I can’t unless I anticipate and load them on there.
Matt: Give it time, it’ll all catch up capacity-wise. We’ve just been given the signal that our time’s up, thanks for doing this with us.
Penn: No thanks, you guys are all right.
Matt: I have a story about Mormon underwear that would blow your mind, but we don’t have enough time. I can try to send it to you over email.
Penn: I don’t email much, but you’re tempting me. I really want to know what the story is with that. I might just let you if my curiosity gets the best of me.
Matt: It has to do with a wedding night and you won’t believe me, but it’s all true.
Penn: I don’t believe you at all. I’ve heard all kinds of stuff about that, and if it’s all true, then it sounds better than “One Got Fat”, so I have to hear it. I don’t email much, but I might have to just because you liked the Bible is Bullshi*t episode. Dammit.
I must say, you guys were terribly insensitive on several fronts. I don’t see how CrunchGear can be called a professional blog. I’ll just get my news from Engadget from now on.
Loved the interview! I didn’t find it a bit insensitive, just quite funny…
I guess it’s cool to bash Mormons nowdays. If I wanted to read more of it, I would go somewhere I would expect to find it…not CrunchGear. Consider me “unsubscribed” from here on out. You’re pathetic.
Hey, I’m an ex-mormon(haven’t gone to church since I was a wee lad) and I think this interview was just perfect Penn humor. I can see you guys were fans of his, and y’all seemed to kinda click. Makes interviews more fun… And don’t listen to those other guys. Nothing wrong with being alil Un-PC. People just need to stop taking everything so seriously these days.
Keep up the good work!
Glad to see bigotry is still alive and well in America. :p
I saw those saddles in an electronics shop in Tokyo, 2003.
It’s an exercise device you can use while sitting on your ass and watching tv.
hmmm…
I saw more about Mormons from the interviewers than from Penn. And Penn was surprisingly reserved with his comments. In fact, his comments were actually complimentary–though backhanded (Mormon girls are apparently prudish, but true to their faith). I’ve actually gained a little respect for the eccentric Penn, and lost a whole lot for the bigots who interviewed him.
What’s really amazing is that, while you folks at CrunchGear are generally irreverent with your content (which is sometimes funny and seldom bothers me), it’s also almost always relevant to consumer electronics. But this bit about Mormons is entirely out of place here, and, because of the belittling comments, actually negatively effects the value of this blog.
I’m not going to unsubscribe yet, but if this sort of thing continues, then I will. I’ll see if you guys can redeem yourselves.
Oh come on guys, this is the best interview ever! It’s hilarious!!!
Loved it!
Crucnhgear has more personality than Engadget and Gizmodo combined.
More != better.
Welcome to the land of people who take themselves too seriously. What’s that old saying “everything with a grain of salt.” Sure some of the things might have been crude. I’m Christian and could be totally outraged by the language and a few other things, but guess what, there are bigger things in the world to get worked up over.
It was a funny interview. Has everyone become so “PC” that we can’t laugh at one another now and then? Get over yourselves you morons.
CG keep up the awesome work! You guys do a great job or making tech news interesting and readable.
Wow, there are some tight-sphinctered commenters here. Remove the stick, people. A little Mormon underwear humor never hurt anyone.
I guess I should point out that in the presentation he did before the interview, which we’re trying to get a copy of from Sony, he mentioned Mormon’s and their garments a couple of times, and it was quite funny.
Religious bigots, eh? Well, I find it happy that said bigots would probably point at the Mormons and call them hypocrites for thinking they’re better than other people. I guess they don’t understand the meaning of the word irony.
Eric, that doesn’t even make sense.
It would be different if Mormons had a big banner on all their churches that said, “We’re better than you, so shut up.” No, their religion teaches more tolerance than most, in fact the Mormon Church is one of the worlds largest donors of humanitarian aid on the globe. That was “DONOR”, as in “nothing in return”.
These guys clearly provoked Penn, and as others here have noticed Penn was the least crude about it of any of them. Apparently Matt has the best ever email about a mormon wedding night, which is likely filed in his email right between the guy from Zimbabwe trying to give him a Million dollars to help him leave the country and Bill Gates paying you to forward emails.
Funny, sure.
A bit crude? No problem.
Unabashed, repeated and blatant disregard for a whole segment of society that hasn’t ever harmed these guys based around false information and the credibility of an email about a wedding? If it’s not bigotry, it sure is ignorant, which makes me sad these guys have such a voice.
Why don’t you guys pick on someone that’s really deserving of your derision? Like gays. I make fun of gays all the time, with their interior design and affinity for the butt. Man, that’s some funny, weird stuff!
umm. Let’s just be chill with everyone. I don’t know why we’ve got to laugh at anyone’s expense. BTW: These guys are bastards.
I will be removing CrunchGear and TechCrunch from my RSS feed. Does it make you feel cool to degrade a group of people? You have not an ounce of class.
I don’t care what religion or culture you are. No one should accept this – I too am unsubscribing from TechCrunch and CrunchGear, as hopefully are all my blog’s readers.
This was just plain obnoxious, offensive, and stupid. Get out of the gutter, please.
Very poor choice… Bye Chrunch. Politics and religion mix better than bigots and techiphiles.
Very bad idea, TechCrunch. Mick Arrington ought to be ashamed of himself. I expect an apology soon. Well probably not Arrington is a a-hole. Good work guys…good work!
This is what you call an interview? What does half this stuff have to do with technology? If this is the type of content you’re featuring, then I too will no longer visit your sites and will encourage friends/family to stop as well.
Truly pathetic – replace “Mormon” with “gay”, “black”, or any other minority, and you’d have a public outrage demanding you apologize for such saturated bigotry. When has it become acceptable to Mormon bash as you’ve done here?
Goodbye, all things Crunch.
Everyone please welcome the “PC” freaks to the table. Some of you are reading too far into this. You’re acting as though Matt & Devin were walking around with little white hoods on their heads, torching the Book of Mormon and dragging a dummy of Joseph Smith behind them. Chill out!
If you were sitting at that table, and the word “Your Mom” was being used instead of Mormon, would you just sit there and laugh? Matt and Devin wouldn’t, I am sure.
Making fun of a religion you know nothing about isn’t classy, its dumb. I’ve heard plenty of mormon jokes that still make me laugh to this day because there was understanding and some respect there.
Why do people have to wait until someone is torching a religious book or a prophet in effigy and wearing KKK clothes before it’s “too far”?
And how long do we have to wait before we’re too afraid to speak our minds on anything because we’re too afraid someone will take offense? It’s not like we were joking about rounding up a lynch mob. Do I have to read your sacred text before I say I don’t believe? Do I have to wear the Pope’s hat before I say it’s ridiculous? Please. We live in a multicultural world here and you’d better thicken up that skin if you can’t take a little teasing about an admittedly unusual practice. Frankly, it’s offensive to me that you’re even TAKING offense at something so trifling.
For me, mormons are kind of the low hanging fruit right now of the world. You can make fun of them because typically they won’t make fun of you back, nor will they really take offense.
It’s still annoying.
(disclosure: I’m mormon.)
Consider the following, people: This was interview with a notoriously outspoken atheist who goes out of his way to challenge everyone’s beliefs and dogmas in everything from religion to simple everyday things. In fact, he reason this story is interesting is because such a controversial guy is getting a hookup with Sony of all people to put this kind of stuff out every day. And people are getting up in arms because we’re giving Mormons a hard time about one of their traditions. If we made fun of the pope’s hat, would we have gotten the same problem?
Sure, We talk about the technical aspects of his show, some of his gadgets and such, but did you think he was going to just restrict himself to bus speeds and gigabytes? The guy makes a living from controversy and he’d already thrown down the Mormon thing and the nun/Clinton thing in front of an audience of hundreds and broadcast it around the world. We mentioned it in the interview and cautioned him that the next guy was indeed a mormon. A guy we had already joked about this stuff with. Joked WITH! This wasn’t Mormon-bashing, it was Mormon-ribbing.
Please, Devin.
You and Matt kept it floating much longer than Penn did. He ONLY replied to YOU starting it, in fact.
Since I was actually present at the interview and helped paraphrase and transcribe it, Robert, I think I’ll tell YOU how it went down. He replied to our *warning* with a bit about not knowing anyone who’d ever slept with a mormon girl.
Anyway, I’m not trying to shift the blame because there’s no blame to be shifted. We were having a conversation and we all happened to agree there was some silly stuff going on with mormons – as we would have if the next guy were catholic, or buddhist, or russian, or whatever. I assure you that if he had chosen any other topic, we would have found something to laugh about, but since he had already broached that subject in his presentation, and the guy coming in next was in fact mormon, we happened to land on mormons as the topic.
Bashing…ribbing…joking. It’s all just perspective. Imus was just “ribbing” those Rutgers basketball players, too, right?
In fact, I think Imus was just ribbing, but look at the outrage that caused. I don’t find your comments personally offensive (as a Mormon). You can’t hurt my feelings, you just sound like idiots to me. What’s disgusting is that since it was about Mormons, you seem to think it’s ok…just good-natured ribbing, right? But do you honestly expect us to believe that you’d do that same kind of joking about gays, blacks, etc.?
Finally, stop trying to deflect your own responsibility to Penn. You and Matt both made your own derogatory comments about Mormons, regardless of Penn’s comments. He’s responsible for his own comments, but you are not guiltless in it, so lay off the “Penn said it first!” defense, dude.
Devin, your foot’s going further into your mouth every time you speak. It’s not the same as if you were making fun of the Pope’s hat. Frankly, if you were making fun of Gordon B. Hinckley himself I don’t think you would have the outrage you have. You have to put it more at the level of making fun of the “magic yarmulke” Jews wear – what you are attacking is personal to Mormons, something each person in their religion personally wears as a symbol of their devotion to God. You are attacking something that is part of every Mormon out there, and are attacking Mormons’ individuality by your comments. You said:
“Yeah, we were making fun of Mormons and he mentioned he’s from Utah and we were like, “Um, are you Mormon?” And he is.”
Now imagine if you said instead,
“Yeah, we were making fun of Jews and he mentioned he’s from New York and we were like, “Um, are you Jew?” And he is.”
I don’t think Jews would think it was very funny you were making fun of them. Me personally? I don’t take it personally, but the fact that it’s “okay” for you to post such an interview in such a public forum does offend me. Bigotry in America needs to go away.
This is all so lame…..!!!! If Matt & Devin were talking about Scientologists I highly doubt anyone would care. Bigotry in America is not the problem, “PC” nut jobs are. There is a whole rant here I can go on, but I will spare everyone the pleasure of reading it. I live in Southern California and come from a Hispanic family. You don’t see me getting all up in arms whenever I hear someone make a “Mexican” joke. Give me a break all of you! It kills me that people in this country can get so self righteous. Why not put your petty energy to good use and lobby the Chinese or Burmese governments for free speech. If you knuckleheads want to get offended about something why not get offended at the fact that people in this world are still thrown in prison for speaking their minds. If you that seems too far over some of your heads then try living by these words, “turn the other cheek.”
Jason, you’re right, we shouldn’t get upset. But, “Mexican” jokes still hurt, right? Especially when you know it was some comment that started as a joke but then everyone begins to believe is fact. I love the Mexican people. I love them in America. I love free enterprise, and they are prime examples of it. I had to listen to a conversation in a post-office once about how the person talking didn’t eat in their restaurants, because they were “dirty”. I know better than that. So, when one person says they are dirty, ten will start to believe it. I walked away from the people talking. They made me sick. We don’t have to argue, no, but I feel when we are misrepresented we need to gently speak up.
That “One Got Fat” vid was so fucked up…
I wrote cocmast instead of comcast
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Gah, give me a break, its like no one can say anything anymore in this damn country without someone wanting to go cry to big brother.
Mormons wear funny magic underwear, fact. Bigotry only happens when you an intent to harm in your statements and frankly I saw no attempt to harm, simply humor. Humor that most of you hypocrites above would laugh at if you could get past your own self righteous indignation.
Part of understanding and accepting is humor and questioning, and also being able to take it in stride based on the context. Stop getting upset over this sort of thing when there are plenty of real things to be worked up over. But its like they said, this is typical for Penn and his style of in your face reality, no apologies, no holds barred. Its a breath of fresh air if you ask me.
Nice interview guys, I find it amazing that he has half a terabyte of music, and even more frightened by the fact that I know between myself and my other half we have more then that ourselves -_-’
This is horrible. I was sent the email address to this form a friend. We are both mormonand this isn’t even funny. Just because you don’t nderstand our religion does not give you the right to talk down on us. You just showed your level of ignorance in this “interview”. Mormonsdont talk down on other religions. We don’t think we are better than anyone else. This was totally out of place.
I’m Mormon, I was directed to this article by others saying how awful it was. I thought it was stupid, but in all honesty I am so used to this that it’s no skin off my back. Sure, I won’t like Penn any more (I don’t think I ever did anyway), but I’m not so offended that blood is gushing out of my eyes…
By the way, my underwear is very comfortable.
Questions? Answers: http://www.mormon.org
ummm WoW…
pretty low class and frankly, quite embarrassing for the publication. Bigotry is alive and well in America. I’m done here as well.
I’m LDS too. Sure you can say what you want and think it was funny. I think the comments lacked any type of class or humour. But if that’s how you want to make your living then go for it. But I won’t be subscribing to anything from you ever.
So you’re living in the 21st century and you still believe in God? You should expect to be ridiculed! :)
Look, seriously, you’re entitled to your beliefs (no matter how daffy and outlandish I may think they are), but everyone else has the right to free speech too. I believe both those things are in your Constitution.
I’m an atheist – but that doesn’t define me – and for me it doesn’t matter what you may personally believe. Unlike Christians of many denominations, I’m not going to come around to your house and try to convince you that your private beliefs (or lack of them) are wrong. If you don’t understand this or you’re a snob and can’t take a joke, then it’s you that has the problem; not Penn, Crunchgear or anyone else.
Never f’d a mormon girl? Really? How can I sign up for this Mormon religion so I don’t have a pig talking women of my faith in such a crude way? Kudos to those so fortunate not to be a notch on Penn’s “friends” bed post.
I’m an active member of the Church (mormon if you will) and it was not the best comment, but I think it was a much worse move to be get defensive and offended about it and perpetuate it for so very long perhaps than the face value of his comment itself. I’m a convert and used to be around a lot of nonmormons. People say that all the time; that’s how the world who doesn’t know much about the temple and speaks before learning and thinking talks. But that doesn’t stop me from treating it with utmost reverence and part of my expression of love to my God and Savior. Let them say what they will, we’ll answer questions if they want to know.
The virtue of our women and integrity of our members is very clearly implicitly understood. That outweighs very, very much in my opinion the negative reference. That was something that attracted me to the Church to begin with.
The guy clearly says a lot of things along those lines about pretty much everyone and everything. He actually seemed to be on his nice and complimentary side.
If we hadn’t said anything, most everyone would have forgotten, and of those that had remembered, they probably wouldn’t have cared. We should just leave it at this, and these are my feelings on it also:
We thank Mr. Penn for his observation and unsolicited expression of the chastity and character of our members. Of course, if we were to come out and make references to it people would think we’re being self-righteous, biased, or have an agenda. When someone else voices it, it holds more weight. As for the other comment, we’re not ashamed or ruffled by it (at least shouldn’t be), and actually hold it very dear and enjoy talking about our temples and the promises we make with the Savior and just how much that means to us personally. Just keep it in the back of your mind and whenever its asked in an interested manner that’s respectful of our beliefs and feelings, we’ll talk about what it means to y’all for as long as you’d like. The temple is the house of the Lord and the place we make promises with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and we receive promises. We have ways of continually remembering those promises that are sacred to us. Those promises are sure, and hold more value to us than anything else. Those promises allows us to be a forever family and married couple. Just ask us when you’ve got any questions about why we do what we do.
So, that’s about that. I was expecting like a 15 minute blast when I first heard about this, but having been on that side of the fence and said similiar things, that’s nothing.
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want mormons as your friends. I have them as mine and they are always the ones who help me and care about me and are there for me the most…you should be ashamed of yourself for the rude and insensitive things you have said here, Penn. But then again look who I am talking to. I’m sure he doesn’t care, he makes a living from it. But he’ll have to look God in the face one day and deal with this. As for this CrunchGear, this is really bad form and you will not be getting my commerce or anyone else I know.
This was a dumb so-called “interview” im Mormon as well, and this isn’t funny at all, you say we think we are better than other religions and people? This shows you’re Level of Stupidity and Ignorance
I’m glad you had this guest on. What he did was to actually bring out the good things folks had to say about us “MARMONS”. Have you ever noticed that it is always LDS people who are attacked, dissected, and thrown out to the buzzards by people with a fitful, relentless almost eerie drive to do so, trying desperately to bring down our beliefs, and most of the time we hard hardly ever found engaged in such brutality of other faiths? It is because we have peace. People at peace have no desire to attack other faiths. Peace comes the Holey Spirit. Restless, vicious, repetitious verbal attacks come from, well, need I say more? By the way, “magic underwear” if you will are simply articles of clothing that are holy, designed to, by wearing them always, remind us of covenants to Christ and our God we have made in the Temple, and gentle reminders of our faith and the commitments to it to become like Christ. They are blessed, if you will, like “Holy Water”. Designed to protect us “upon our obedience” to the commandments. My Uncle was a mechanic, working under a hood one day, when the engine exploded. He was burned in the face, arms, neck, and his pants caught fire. His “Garments” correctly termed, were unscathed, and his body, everywhere they touched. Magic? No. Sacred? Holy? Yes. But Hey, you all keep talking. Maybe all us Mormons will continue to have enough humor in psyches to engage in a “friendly” discussion.