The average layman wants a system that works out of the box not an OS where you have issues every 5 minutes

* At work we have OpenSuse anw use openoffice on it 99% of the time *

The average layman wants a system that works out of the box not an OS where

I am not a computer illiterate, i’ve been using computers since i bought a sinclair spectrum in 1983, then i bought a C128 , two amigas, an apple and since 1995 have been using PCs everyday, i switch back and forth from linux at work to windows at home, yet today i wanted to try Kubuntu 8.04 64bit on my older pc (AMD64 4200 - 2GB ram - ATI X800 Gto card) and had the following issuses

ATI video card is not working properly, i can’t get direct rendering to work even after i followed all the instructions i found in the community forums

Flash player is not available for linux

Java Runtime is not available on 64bit

Emulating games under wine is frustrating

Adept manager crashed a few times

There is no decent MP3 mixing software for linux (I also work as a DJ in a club)

There is no playchess.com client for linux (i have a paid account there)

Poker room clients are not available and running them through wine is not an option Most of them dont work, the few that work require an IE4Linux install+plugins, they incur into graphic problems, disconnections and they sometime crash)

P2P under linux isnt just the same - Joost for example is not available and Emule clone’s Amule is somewhat different

My bluetooth printer is not recognized

My PocketPC can’t be synchronized

and i could go on with a lot of other issues, bugs, etc etc.

Besides, i dont care if iLinux is free, i got my Vista Ultimate as a birthday present (not that i couldnt afford it anyway), i am completely satisfied, it worked immediately on my system and haven’t had a problem since. I have 24/7 support in case i need it, and malware and viruses are a problem just if you’re an idiot, i haven’t catched a virus under windows in the past 18 months and the only trojan i got before (got it form a fake emule mp3) didnt harm my system.

Linux is a great OS for servers but at the desktop level is just for geeks and nerd wannabes and will never become a worthy alternative to Vista.

The simple fact that it’s been around and available for free for the past 10+ years and yet the installed base is less than 1% should ring a bell to all you linux enthusiasts.

99% can’t all be wrong or stupid

Linux Sucks.

At least you admitted you don’t capitalism which is fine…just keep swimming upstream while the rest of society evolves in reality.

11. Linux users (really, the FSF types) despise the free market
12. Linux users’ ultimate argument is only they “get it” and the rest of the world “is ignorant and must do more research”.

What the fuck? I’m resulting to profanity because this truly requires that in the question. Also, what’s so bad about profanity? Shove it up your republican arse, you hypocritical cunt sack.

First of all, I’m not a zealot, I’ll use any open source operating system. I’ll use a BSD, Linux, or anything else Unix cloned/derived/inspired. But at the moment, I just use Linux, a debian derived distro, by the name of Ubuntu. Why do I use it? Because it has a pretty decent repository with mostly up to date software. After using Slackware for about 5 years and Gentoo for about 2 years.. Apt-Get combines both the pros of Slack and Gentoo in one fast, easy to use command when I just want to get dependencies such as libraries and codecs, rather then compiling them. I don’t use the default Gnome desktop envorinment, hell, I don’t even use a “desktop environment”… I use the Openbox Window Manager… So I’ll restate that, I’m a zealot for FREE, FUNCTIONAL, OPEN software… not some proprietary, slow, outdated, closed, buggy as fuck software that I can’t just go in and fix myself, I have to wait for some bullshit “security package” that breaks more shit then it fixes.

A huge reason you are hypocritical is that you are calling us rude, Cretans, inefficient… basically, you’re labeling us all in this tight little niche. So go sodomize yourself with the broken end of a rusty aluminum broom stick. Sure, some “linux users” are Anti Establishment, and I perhaps fit in there, but look at how corrupt most of these douche bag companies are. I don’t like capitalism, it makes me sick, it makes me immensely depressed on a daily basis. But this is just me, not all Linux users are like this. And anyone with an “anti establishment” persona has different reasons for why they are. So seriously, fuck off with putting us in this little fantasy niche of yours.

Go do yourself some research and clear up your stupidity, but perhaps that wont even do you good, for stupidity can never be cured. Only Ignorance can, and this is far from it.

1. Linux users are zealots.
2. Linux users are close-minded
3. Most Linux users have less than 3 years experience in the industry. “In the industry” means that you’ve at one point been actually paid to produce marketable software which of course requires an operating system. “In the industry” does not mean you have an iPod, found a codec, managed to boot Linux, have a blog with cute Ubuntu logos, etc.
4. Linux users are rude. They resort to profanity and insults. They are cretans
5. Linux users are countercultural
6. Linux users are anti-establishment (perhaps redundant of #5)
7. Linux users are inefficient. They’d rather claim success to using a 10 year old boat anchor to run their latest favorite distro that took a week to find, attempt compilation, learn, tweak, fix, compile, repeat than simply get up and running within minutes on something that will last for at least the next three years and cost less than $500
8. Linux users are luddites. “Command line!” - ’nuff said
9. Linux users are naive as a function of what they claim. Ask simple questions like “what’s AIX?” or “ever hear of a P595?” or “what processors does an HP Superdome running HP-UX use?” and you’ll get blank stares at best, but more likely insults.
10. Linux users are myopic. If what is claimed to be nirvana for the desktop is in fact the “way to go”, then why not practice what one preaches and apply it everything? Find an open source, unsupported toaster, or a coffee table, or a vehicle.

Then with the developers………….. “probably built up lego-style from stolen Windows code”……….. Fucking Windows code is done in Assembly, from what I understand. Look at the majority of projects done for Linux. They’re usually C/++, Python, Perl, Lisp, Ruby, or some other obscure programming language I’m sure you’ve never heard of. But that’s aside my point, you can tell that a lot of code is done from scratch or perhaps borrowed from another open source project when you see the different organization schemes of developers, perhaps cleaner code (but all code has bugs now and then), different algorithms, etc. Perhaps look at some code and see for yourself. Also, it’s very bold of you to even talk about programming, do you even know a thing about software development? From the sound of it, it surely looks like you don’t.

Now the command line… You OBVIOUSLY have to learn it before you can do just any old trick. It may be hard at first, but once you get the hang of it, it can be much more sufficient then the most intuitive of graphical user interfaces. But even then, you’re not ever forced into using command line when you use Linux. You have a choice in exactly how you want your system to work for you. You even have the full power to make your own window managers, GUI’s, etc to fit your needs or perhaps toggle some more ideas from the community.

I could go on, but why bother clearing up your ignorance for you? Go around and do yourself a bit more research before you start making such blatant assumptions and petty remarks. Good day to you, sir.

Are you really think linux is bad?
if you do.. fock off, get you’re ass away from you’re computer, trow it thrue the window,
and die,,

you lamooooooo

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