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	<title>Comments on: CEDIAcrunch: Inside Monster Cable&#8217;s HDMI cable challenge</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Tully</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/06/cediacrunch-inside-monster-cables-hdmi-cable-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-1075534</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the Monster test set-up was rigged.

However, it doesn&#039;t matter that the Monster cables tested have a higher bandwidth than the cheap cables - HDMI cables in home use will not see the types of bandwidths they are discussing here (for several years or maybe EVER).  It&#039;s analogous buying a 20&quot; diameter drain pipe over a 10&quot; dia. drain pipe option when a 5&quot; drain pipe will work.  

&quot;But the 20&quot; drain pipe (Monster product) will accommodate the flood waters (4k HD) in 15 years&quot;.  

Who cares?!  Buy the cheap cable and when (IF) the time comes where you need to upgrade, buy the 10&quot; drain pipe.

Ask yourself...Why doesn&#039;t Monster just do a simple A-B comparison with REAL world components (between a PS3 and a Projector for example).  Why?? Because they know that NO ONE would see a difference (no matter how much kool-aid they drank).  You&#039;re nuts if you spend more than a $1/foot on HDMI cable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the Monster test set-up was rigged.</p>
<p>However, it doesn&#8217;t matter that the Monster cables tested have a higher bandwidth than the cheap cables &#8211; HDMI cables in home use will not see the types of bandwidths they are discussing here (for several years or maybe EVER).  It&#8217;s analogous buying a 20&#8243; diameter drain pipe over a 10&#8243; dia. drain pipe option when a 5&#8243; drain pipe will work.  </p>
<p>&#8220;But the 20&#8243; drain pipe (Monster product) will accommodate the flood waters (4k HD) in 15 years&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Who cares?!  Buy the cheap cable and when (IF) the time comes where you need to upgrade, buy the 10&#8243; drain pipe.</p>
<p>Ask yourself&#8230;Why doesn&#8217;t Monster just do a simple A-B comparison with REAL world components (between a PS3 and a Projector for example).  Why?? Because they know that NO ONE would see a difference (no matter how much kool-aid they drank).  You&#8217;re nuts if you spend more than a $1/foot on HDMI cable.</p>
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		<title>By: esteban dejesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>esteban dejesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this information from cedia about testing bandwidth of HDMI and found it pretty informative.  the reason (as stated) that they would not test shorter lengths is that generally all cables (regardless of construction, cost, etc...) that have hdmi 1.3 or better specs, will pass 1080P and deep color over short lengths.

we were at cedia, attended one session.  all comers were welcomed, I could see no policing of who attended and monster generally answered virtually all questions poised to them.

as I gathered the point they triedc to make, as that the increased bandwidth neceessary as sources ability to do 12 bit color, higher refresh rates etc... is todays poorly construction cables, won&#039;t be able to keep muster when you upgrade to a true 1080P source (not broadcast or satellelite HD). I must take exception to the comments by this rick foringer person, who seems to hold some sort of grudge against the company monster, AND thus looses all credibility with the average and mostly informed readers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this information from cedia about testing bandwidth of HDMI and found it pretty informative.  the reason (as stated) that they would not test shorter lengths is that generally all cables (regardless of construction, cost, etc&#8230;) that have hdmi 1.3 or better specs, will pass 1080P and deep color over short lengths.</p>
<p>we were at cedia, attended one session.  all comers were welcomed, I could see no policing of who attended and monster generally answered virtually all questions poised to them.</p>
<p>as I gathered the point they triedc to make, as that the increased bandwidth neceessary as sources ability to do 12 bit color, higher refresh rates etc&#8230; is todays poorly construction cables, won&#8217;t be able to keep muster when you upgrade to a true 1080P source (not broadcast or satellelite HD). I must take exception to the comments by this rick foringer person, who seems to hold some sort of grudge against the company monster, AND thus looses all credibility with the average and mostly informed readers</p>
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		<title>By: benjaminx</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/06/cediacrunch-inside-monster-cables-hdmi-cable-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-876597</link>
		<dc:creator>benjaminx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what this guy is talking about but I like his style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what this guy is talking about but I like his style.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Foringer</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/06/cediacrunch-inside-monster-cables-hdmi-cable-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-875948</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Foringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** ENTIRE TEST WAS A FARCE. ** 

THREE sets of equipe... ( NOTE REFER TO HDMI SPEC.) Why so many..  A Network Analyzer and a pair of baluns made by Ed Lee At LiTek in Taiwan. That&#039;s all one needs. 

Further more, To do a full sweep takes 20-30 min. for each cable depending on length for all all parametric testing and thus you have a complete &quot; eye pattern&quot;. 

( Call Tektronics, HP, Etc..) This sweep tests for FXT 
(far end cross talk), impedance, skew, etc.. 

In this particular Monster test, a &quot;monster sweep&quot; was accomplished in less that 30/59 seconds depending upon the 
&quot; PROGRAM &quot; they manually selected from their connected lap top which is illustrated in your photo&#039;s...

This was CEDIA... it&#039;s a targeted &quot; installer demographic &quot; that companies target and some even entice their client with a Doobie Brothers concert or a promised ride in an exotic car..
At this particular venue last week in Denver all was behind a blacked out closed door, engineers and tech police; no where to be seen...  Come to any ones closet they&#039;ll tell ya everyone&#039;s elses punch sux.... ( To the author : did you ride in a Ferrari/Lamboghini or perhaps go to a Doobie brother concert drunk on all that punch ??? ) 


I DARE MONSTER TO PULL THIS TEST AT AN ENGINEERING CONFERENCE WHERE REAL ENGINEERS WHOM WORK WITH THESE TOOLS ARE PRESENT... i.e. HDMI DEV CONFERENCE, INTEL DEV CON, OR MACWORLD, ETC..

THE SMOKE WOULD MAJESTICALLY CLEAR .. As it would be self regulating and the 20 year old &quot; know it all&#039;s would suffice to be present to tell you what you need &quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** ENTIRE TEST WAS A FARCE. ** </p>
<p>THREE sets of equipe&#8230; ( NOTE REFER TO HDMI SPEC.) Why so many..  A Network Analyzer and a pair of baluns made by Ed Lee At LiTek in Taiwan. That&#8217;s all one needs. </p>
<p>Further more, To do a full sweep takes 20-30 min. for each cable depending on length for all all parametric testing and thus you have a complete &#8221; eye pattern&#8221;. </p>
<p>( Call Tektronics, HP, Etc..) This sweep tests for FXT<br />
(far end cross talk), impedance, skew, etc.. </p>
<p>In this particular Monster test, a &#8220;monster sweep&#8221; was accomplished in less that 30/59 seconds depending upon the<br />
&#8221; PROGRAM &#8221; they manually selected from their connected lap top which is illustrated in your photo&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>This was CEDIA&#8230; it&#8217;s a targeted &#8221; installer demographic &#8221; that companies target and some even entice their client with a Doobie Brothers concert or a promised ride in an exotic car..<br />
At this particular venue last week in Denver all was behind a blacked out closed door, engineers and tech police; no where to be seen&#8230;  Come to any ones closet they&#8217;ll tell ya everyone&#8217;s elses punch sux&#8230;. ( To the author : did you ride in a Ferrari/Lamboghini or perhaps go to a Doobie brother concert drunk on all that punch ??? ) </p>
<p>I DARE MONSTER TO PULL THIS TEST AT AN ENGINEERING CONFERENCE WHERE REAL ENGINEERS WHOM WORK WITH THESE TOOLS ARE PRESENT&#8230; i.e. HDMI DEV CONFERENCE, INTEL DEV CON, OR MACWORLD, ETC..</p>
<p>THE SMOKE WOULD MAJESTICALLY CLEAR .. As it would be self regulating and the 20 year old &#8221; know it all&#8217;s would suffice to be present to tell you what you need &#8220;..</p>
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		<title>By: benjaminx</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjaminx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder when they&#039;ll release some awesome cable cleaning fluid?  Hopefully there will be a different blend for each cable type and length.</description>
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