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	<title>Comments on: German court bans iPhone VoIP app Sipgate</title>
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		<title>By: Courts...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courts...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Germany as well as most countries suffers from judges that ar in principle well trained but severly lack in tech knowledge and understanding.

It is a general problem to transfer laws that where indended for the &#039;solid world old economy&#039; to the &#039;ever changing new economy&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Germany as well as most countries suffers from judges that ar in principle well trained but severly lack in tech knowledge and understanding.</p>
<p>It is a general problem to transfer laws that where indended for the &#8217;solid world old economy&#8217; to the &#8216;ever changing new economy&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/11/german-court-bans-iphone-voip-app-sipgate/comment-page-1/#comment-888235</link>
		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... I mean:

&quot;The very next morning, and as the most amazing of coincidences, everyone directly or indirectly involved with the case which supported T-Mobile and their aunts got a coupon to redeem their new iPhones.  Those who opposed were tickled to death, except the lawyers, they were mocked to death&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I mean:</p>
<p>&#8220;The very next morning, and as the most amazing of coincidences, everyone directly or indirectly involved with the case which supported T-Mobile and their aunts got a coupon to redeem their new iPhones.  Those who opposed were tickled to death, except the lawyers, they were mocked to death&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/11/german-court-bans-iphone-voip-app-sipgate/comment-page-1/#comment-888213</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before their ipo they were controlled by the government. So i guess they still have huge influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before their ipo they were controlled by the government. So i guess they still have huge influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Relax</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/11/german-court-bans-iphone-voip-app-sipgate/comment-page-1/#comment-888180</link>
		<dc:creator>Relax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a German perspective: The court looks at the General Terms of Business of T-Mobile and terms of usage with the iPhone that every owner of a T-Mobile iPhone has accepted and agreed to. One of the arguments is that the VoIP software&#039;s only goal and aim is to break the rule of not using the iPhone for VoIP. It&#039;s almost as if eMule could only be used for piracy and therefore should be banned (I stated almost and this is only to help you to understand. But I am sure that some weirdo is going to jump onto it and write that this is not a very good example because ...)

So it is rather a matter of very strict rules (and we Germans have a lot of it and love to think that we are always right because we imagine that there is a rule/law out there supporting our point-of-view). And a matter of live and learn. There is still a chance that this verdict is not the final one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a German perspective: The court looks at the General Terms of Business of T-Mobile and terms of usage with the iPhone that every owner of a T-Mobile iPhone has accepted and agreed to. One of the arguments is that the VoIP software&#8217;s only goal and aim is to break the rule of not using the iPhone for VoIP. It&#8217;s almost as if eMule could only be used for piracy and therefore should be banned (I stated almost and this is only to help you to understand. But I am sure that some weirdo is going to jump onto it and write that this is not a very good example because &#8230;)</p>
<p>So it is rather a matter of very strict rules (and we Germans have a lot of it and love to think that we are always right because we imagine that there is a rule/law out there supporting our point-of-view). And a matter of live and learn. There is still a chance that this verdict is not the final one.</p>
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		<title>By: maloman</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/11/german-court-bans-iphone-voip-app-sipgate/comment-page-1/#comment-888148</link>
		<dc:creator>maloman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a german reader currently living in the netherlands i must say.. germans still follow some leader ! Actually t-mobile is not very popular in the private cell fone business, only commercially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a german reader currently living in the netherlands i must say.. germans still follow some leader ! Actually t-mobile is not very popular in the private cell fone business, only commercially.</p>
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		<title>By: maloman</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/11/german-court-bans-iphone-voip-app-sipgate/comment-page-1/#comment-888145</link>
		<dc:creator>maloman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well..</p>
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