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		<title>By: The Great Geek Manual News &#187; AT&#38;T to implement bandwidth caps: Starts at 20GB per month</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Geek Manual News &#187; AT&#38;T to implement bandwidth caps: Starts at 20GB per month</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AT&#38;T to implement bandwidth caps: Starts at 20GB per month &#124; best tech news</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T to implement bandwidth caps: Starts at 20GB per month &#124; best tech news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Deleon</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/04/att-to-implement-bandwidth-caps-starts-at-20gb-per-month/comment-page-1/#comment-945421</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Deleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our thesis isn&#039;t that Blu-ray itself will die, but that the format won&#039;t ever take off as a mass consumer medium given how expensive it is relative to &quot;good enough&quot; DVD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our thesis isn&#8217;t that Blu-ray itself will die, but that the format won&#8217;t ever take off as a mass consumer medium given how expensive it is relative to &#8220;good enough&#8221; DVD.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bufalo</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/04/att-to-implement-bandwidth-caps-starts-at-20gb-per-month/comment-page-1/#comment-945419</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bufalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen...preach it brother!  Fix the problem!  Oooooh Lord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen&#8230;preach it brother!  Fix the problem!  Oooooh Lord!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly the big point that all the &quot;Blu Ray is dead&quot; doomsayers keep missing. The Internet service providers are NOT just going to watch Steve Jobs make a ton of money with high definition movie downloads without getting their meathooks into that profit stream. 

50 GB Blu Ray disks DO have a place in the future if you really care about the best in movie quality and are a frequent movie watcher. High Definition Blu Ray quality streaming content isn&#039;t yet ready for widespread use because it eats up bandwidth that is going to cost more than customers realize. You&#039;re not going to get that kind of bandwidth for &quot;free&quot; in your present cable charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly the big point that all the &#8220;Blu Ray is dead&#8221; doomsayers keep missing. The Internet service providers are NOT just going to watch Steve Jobs make a ton of money with high definition movie downloads without getting their meathooks into that profit stream. </p>
<p>50 GB Blu Ray disks DO have a place in the future if you really care about the best in movie quality and are a frequent movie watcher. High Definition Blu Ray quality streaming content isn&#8217;t yet ready for widespread use because it eats up bandwidth that is going to cost more than customers realize. You&#8217;re not going to get that kind of bandwidth for &#8220;free&#8221; in your present cable charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ankit Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/04/att-to-implement-bandwidth-caps-starts-at-20gb-per-month/comment-page-1/#comment-945415</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankit Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens to your cable subscription when all your content is HD and transmitted over an internet connection? If you pay $80 now for cable TV and internet, then expect it to stay there over the long run even after cable subscriptions cease to exist.

It seems that a lot of people still rely on a cable subscription, although with alternatives like Hulu, Netflix on demand, etc., that might change. If/when that does, just expect your ISP bill to go up to make up for it, unless there is enough competition to change things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens to your cable subscription when all your content is HD and transmitted over an internet connection? If you pay $80 now for cable TV and internet, then expect it to stay there over the long run even after cable subscriptions cease to exist.</p>
<p>It seems that a lot of people still rely on a cable subscription, although with alternatives like Hulu, Netflix on demand, etc., that might change. If/when that does, just expect your ISP bill to go up to make up for it, unless there is enough competition to change things.</p>
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		<title>By: Ankit Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/04/att-to-implement-bandwidth-caps-starts-at-20gb-per-month/comment-page-1/#comment-945414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankit Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Seems to me the real issue is poor broadband infrastructure. Fix that, however that happens, and this problem—needing to limit bandwidth consumption—goes away.&quot;

Let&#039;s think about this from another perspective, maybe one of an investor:

Board Member: &quot;Ok, we&#039;ve done great so far, but with the economy being down in general, our rate of new subscribers is starting to slow. We increased text messaging to 20 cents per text, but it&#039;s only a matter of time till the FCC stops that. We need to find a way to charge people more to bring up our revenues.&quot;

CEO: &quot;Let me present my plan for our home ISP pricing, and how to increase our revenue. At the same time, we&#039;ll be decreasing our expenses.&quot;

Board Members: *golf clap*

CEO: &quot;As of now, everyone pays the same regional rate for home internet connections. 5% of our users make up 50% of the usage though, and the top 1% use 2x%. Why do we all charge them equally? We should put a &quot;limit&quot; in place that only affects the top 10% and charges them either. By doing this, we&#039;ll definitely increase our revenue because they won&#039;t all immediately use less than the limit, and at the same time, we&#039;ll decrease our expenses.&quot;

Board Members: &quot;Why didn&#039;t we think of this before?!&quot; (repeat golf clap)

My thoughts - what&#039;s the issue with this? I have no issue charging the largest users of a resource more than others. It&#039;s like if we all paid a set price for as much water as you could use. What happens when one person is filling up his pool, watering his garden, etc., and you&#039;re someone who doesn&#039;t do any of those? Why do you all pay the same rate? What happens if all the pool owners use more and cause the monthly rates for everyone to go up? Won&#039;t people complain and say that if you fill up your pool with water, you should be the one paying more?

What is my issue with this? Who decides where the cutoff will be? As the post and article both describe, our needs will change over time. Will there be enough competition (Clearwire?! Hello?) that we won&#039;t have to worry about these cutoffs or will someone oversee that aspect on behalf of the consumers? (I know very little about the FCC, maybe it would be them though?)

Overall: It doesn&#039;t matter if they have horrible or amazing infrastructure, their expenses should be separate from what they charge us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Seems to me the real issue is poor broadband infrastructure. Fix that, however that happens, and this problem—needing to limit bandwidth consumption—goes away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think about this from another perspective, maybe one of an investor:</p>
<p>Board Member: &#8220;Ok, we&#8217;ve done great so far, but with the economy being down in general, our rate of new subscribers is starting to slow. We increased text messaging to 20 cents per text, but it&#8217;s only a matter of time till the FCC stops that. We need to find a way to charge people more to bring up our revenues.&#8221;</p>
<p>CEO: &#8220;Let me present my plan for our home ISP pricing, and how to increase our revenue. At the same time, we&#8217;ll be decreasing our expenses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Board Members: *golf clap*</p>
<p>CEO: &#8220;As of now, everyone pays the same regional rate for home internet connections. 5% of our users make up 50% of the usage though, and the top 1% use 2x%. Why do we all charge them equally? We should put a &#8220;limit&#8221; in place that only affects the top 10% and charges them either. By doing this, we&#8217;ll definitely increase our revenue because they won&#8217;t all immediately use less than the limit, and at the same time, we&#8217;ll decrease our expenses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Board Members: &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t we think of this before?!&#8221; (repeat golf clap)</p>
<p>My thoughts &#8211; what&#8217;s the issue with this? I have no issue charging the largest users of a resource more than others. It&#8217;s like if we all paid a set price for as much water as you could use. What happens when one person is filling up his pool, watering his garden, etc., and you&#8217;re someone who doesn&#8217;t do any of those? Why do you all pay the same rate? What happens if all the pool owners use more and cause the monthly rates for everyone to go up? Won&#8217;t people complain and say that if you fill up your pool with water, you should be the one paying more?</p>
<p>What is my issue with this? Who decides where the cutoff will be? As the post and article both describe, our needs will change over time. Will there be enough competition (Clearwire?! Hello?) that we won&#8217;t have to worry about these cutoffs or will someone oversee that aspect on behalf of the consumers? (I know very little about the FCC, maybe it would be them though?)</p>
<p>Overall: It doesn&#8217;t matter if they have horrible or amazing infrastructure, their expenses should be separate from what they charge us.</p>
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		<title>By: Vipor</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/04/att-to-implement-bandwidth-caps-starts-at-20gb-per-month/comment-page-1/#comment-945412</link>
		<dc:creator>Vipor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comcast is doing this now with there 250gb limit,once hd becomes full force there gonna have to lift that,i mean cmon $45 a month and you get a limit,they should push the price down if there gonna do that....your normal person probably goes thru at least 1gb a day,i feel bad for the people that have 20gb a month limits cuz you will easily chew thru that...there gonna lose alot of customers if they get too strict with this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comcast is doing this now with there 250gb limit,once hd becomes full force there gonna have to lift that,i mean cmon $45 a month and you get a limit,they should push the price down if there gonna do that&#8230;.your normal person probably goes thru at least 1gb a day,i feel bad for the people that have 20gb a month limits cuz you will easily chew thru that&#8230;there gonna lose alot of customers if they get too strict with this</p>
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