But Medis is a scam — and a comical one — as I have observed since 2002. It doesn’t have “products” but a cover stories that are so vastly inferior to current technology Medis has no NO REVENUE FROM PRODUCTS since inception 1992, including no material sales of its powerpack despite completing an automated line for it two years ago!

Fake purchase orders, many claims of products on sale and about to be sold, many claims of manufacturing (pilot, semi-automated, and automated), many claims of ongoing discussions… many claims of breakthroughs in wildly unrelated areas (automobile motors, refrigeration, anti-cancer vaccine, and dozens more) but NO REVENUE FROM PRODUCTS since inception 1992. Kinda says it all. :)

http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.664687/browse_thread/thread/313f7c815d9075ff#

Techskeptic’s test tell the story: the weird and bulky power pack is junk — NOT rechargeable, only partly disposable, very slow charging, and trivial life (weeks) after activation (compare 5 AA batteries: rechargeable, and last for 5+ years even if use is started). It does less than 5 AA batteries (which ARE available in multi-tip format) at 4x the price (or infinitely more since AA’s can be rechargeable practically for free).

Til

1) “techskeptic has been bashing Medis for years”

I just finished saying I have been looking at this thing for years. Just because you dont agree that the value proposition is awful, doesn’t make it good. I have yet to hear from anyone how 30 bucks + 20 dollar refills for a 1W device are good for anything. If you call presenting the fact ‘bashing’ I guess you are welcome to your opinion.

2)”there is now palpable fear among the shorts….He also admits to, at least once in the past, shorting the company’s stock…” etc etc

Yeah I shorted the stock at 35, because that price was insane. Anyone with half a brain would have done the same thing. Even some so called ‘longs’ did it. I got out in the 20’s, its now in the 1’s. How can you possibly make the claim that shorts are nervous. Thats ridiculous. The performance claims have not changed since before the released the semi-auotmated ones. As I have pointed out, it doesnt matter if they didnt do well when I tested them, even if there worked as claimed it would still be a poor choice against batteries. The complete lack of sales for well over a year says plenty

3)”It will surprise you how light it feels.”
Thats because the device is huge, especially when compared with superior performing battery based devices.

4)”but to get its UL designation it was baked for 24 hours at 500 degrees with no leakage.”
Uh could you link us to that tidbit. Perhpas you meant to say 50C. From UL2265:
“1.3 The fuel cell power units covered by these requirements are for use in unclassified (ordinary) locations in ambient temperatures that do not exceed 50°C (121°F). ”

5)”The product works as described. ”
Never once did I claim that it didn’t. The ones I tested certainly didn’t. But if you think I am claiming that the new ones dont work as they describe, then you are not paying attention. read the post again.

6)”If Medis gets a partner with the financing, a cartridge-based product is likely within one or two years. ”

LOL! They’ve been promising this for years, why would the state of being partnerless ever change?

It took a decade to make this thing, in its current form, which is way simpler than a system the requires both the fuel and electrolyte to be changed and you think it will happen in 1 or 2 years?!? Very funny.

Medis has made stupid decisions and outlandish claims for years. But that is separate from the product that they actually delivered. They delivered exactly what they said they would, the problem is that its dumb product for too much money. I encourage everyone with 30 bucks to waste, to go ahead and buy one. then report back here and tell us if you would spend another 20 bucks on a refil or not.

Franklin, how many per month are you personally buying? how many have you bought?

(I never get an answer to that question)

The product works as described. Note that – exclusive of the PMS – it is only 185 grams, about the weight of a small can of tuna fish. It will surprise you how light it feels. Also, the expiration date of 18 months is only because the product has not been in existence long enough to prove it can last longer, which when you consider that before activation it contains stable chemicals in isolated chambers, it could last indefinitely. Its operating temperature is as stated by Mr. Aamoth, but to get its UL designation it was baked for 24 hours at 500 degrees with no leakage. It is safe, unlike some larger Li+ batteries have been shown not to be (the more fuel in them, the bigger the fire if they fail). Unlike any battery, it remains at a stable voltage until the fuel is exhausted, which means all the rated energy is usable.

If you like its value proposition and can afford it, buy it. Look for it in Best Buy in time for Christmas, along with an emergency kit that will include a flashlight that will operate for six weeks on one Power Pack, assuming you don’t also use it to recharge your iPhone, and your SO’s phone, and iPod while you wait for the lights to come back on. If it is too expensive for you, wait – like most new products it will inevitably decline in price as production and sales ramp up. If Medis gets a partner with the financing, a cartridge-based product is likely within one or two years. You need never look for an outlet to recharge your portable device again.

The product works as described. Note that – exclusive of the PMS – it is only 185 grams, about the weight of a small can of tuna fish. It will surprise you how light it feels. Also, the expiration date of 18 months is only because the product has not been in existence long enough to prove it can last longer, which when you consider that before activation it contains stable chemicals in isolated chambers, it could last indefinitely. Its operating temperature is as stated by Mr. Aamoth, but to get its UL designation it was baked for 24 hours at 500 degrees with no leakage. It is safe, unlike some larger Li+ batteries have been shown not to be (the more fuel in them, the bigger the fire if they fail). Unlike any battery, it remains at a stable voltage until the fuel is exhausted, which means all the rated energy is usable.

If you like its value proposition and can afford it, buy it. Look for it in Best Buy in time for Christmas, along with an emergency kit that will include a flashlight that will operate for six weeks on one Power Pack, assuming you don’t also use it to recharge your iPhone, and your SO’s phone, and iPod while you wait for the lights to come back on. If it is too expensive for you, wait – like most new products it will inevitably decline in price as production and sales ramp up. If Medis gets a partner with the financing, a cartridge-based product is likely within one or two years. You need never look for an outlet to recharge your portable device again.

Bill smith has it right. Battery solutions are all better, cheaper and more powerful.

Thomas asks the right question which is why, contrary to the authors contention, it is in fact NOT a good emergency device for two reasons. First off, you better have emergencies more often than every few weeks for the 24/7 to be useful more than once. Second, if you have a dead battery, the power pack only supplies 1W (unless you buy the extreme pack which simply has a battery in it for 50 bucks). 1W doesnt do much for talk time in an emergency. An hour and a half for a phone with a miniscule battery.

There may be an instance here to there where the 24/7 is useful, but a large battery pack with is cheaper to use, provides far more power and are smaller work well in each of those cases.

Up to 18 month shelf-life before activated, up to three months once activated.