Comments on: My God, it’s full of K’s! What the RED announcement means for the industry

By: Video: Red One v. Canon 5D Mark II v. Panasonic GH1 « News / Blog

Video: Red One v. Canon 5D Mark II v. Panasonic GH1 « News / Blog — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:13:14 +0000

[...] videographer, Marty Meyer, shot a short video using the Red One, the Canon 5D Mark II, and the Panasonic GH1. The resulting music-/test-/sad girl in the [...]

By: wow

wow — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:14:30 +0000

the new red line is gunna be sick end of story. have fun hacken the 5d to pieces just to get 24p. hope you enjoy those choppy zooms on the eos lenses too. ha ha ha. 5d is not a video camera by a long shot.

By: 8K laser projector: better picture, less retina-burning

8K laser projector: better picture, less retina-burning — Wed, 20 May 2009 03:49:15 +0000

[...] stuff, other applications you don’t think about) and for scrubbing through portions of your 28K footage. Evans & Sutherland was unimpressed with current projection solutions, however, and decided [...]

By: First images from RED’s Scarlet « Scooopy.net

First images from RED’s Scarlet « Scooopy.net — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:36:47 +0000

[...] ready for production. Soon we’ll see if the RED has the impact on the motion picture industry we thought it would. It’s already increased cinema lens demand by a significant [...]

By: First images from RED’s Scarlet

First images from RED’s Scarlet — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:40:20 +0000

[...] ready for production. Soon we’ll see if the RED has the impact on the motion picture industry we thought it would. It’s already increased cinema lens demand by a significant [...]

By: CrunchGear » Archive » RED revises its announcement, gives RED ONE owners a sweet deal

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:33:21 +0000

[...] The big RED announcement from two weeks ago made quite a rumble, and it was only a few days afterwards that Jim Jannard announced things were changing yet again. Well, the revision has arrived. Jim says they’ve taken over “all aspects of electronic design and sensor fabrication,” apparently allowing them to do some stuff to upgrade the specs on a lot of the sensors. They’ve also announced a “reward” for their original customers with RED ONE units, saying they’ll get a really nice deal on a special setup if they want it, including a special sensor and bundled stuff at no extra charge. [...]

By: CrunchGear » Archive » For image quality buffs, DSLR video is off the table

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:48:03 +0000

[...] thing. The image above is a still from some 1080p 5DmkII video taken by Jim Jannard, creator of the RED camera which the 5D is mistakenly compared to (partially RED’s fault). Here’s a resized [...]

By: mike

mike — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:29:40 +0000

Um, the images that come out of a Red are far superior to an F900.
And I think we are all quite aware that 35mm dof does not mean better dynamic range or resolution. If you were to say “The F23 has superior dynamic range than a Red One, I would agree.” So anyhow, which company do you work for, Sony or Panasonic. I have talked to a number of DP’s, that are not biased towards Red, who have rented HPX3000’s and said they never would again.

There are a lot of big name DP’s using this camera if you aren’t aware. Ever heard of Lubezki. Sure you have.

And if you just want to be a little bitch on the big old internet that’s fine. I don’t shoot 100 million dollar movies. I shoot music videos. Sue me. You are clearly a moron.

By: Digital Yuri

Digital Yuri — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:52:53 +0000

“I’m not an insider on the subject of digital cinematography”

OBVIOUSLY. You have swallowed the Red Kool-Aid. You completely missed the #1 fact. Which is that the Red makes crappy cameras.

You don’t see Daryn Okada saying anything about Red. Instead you get a quote from Michael Ragen, I assume it’s the only Michael Ragen listed on IMDB.com? The one with no professional experience.

It doesn’t matter what Red claims the resolution is, it also doesn’t matter what they charge for it. The images that come out of the Red 4K Camera, are far below a Panasonic HPX3000 or a Sony F900. Those cameras are considered workhorses of the industry. 35mm depth of field, does not mean better dynamic range or ACTUAL resolution.

Most professionals cinematographer RARELY (if ever) buy $40-50K+ cameras, for many good reasons. You obviously don’t know anything about REAL working cinematographers.

Your post makes you sound like a shill. You would be wise to fact check with professionals who know what’s is REALLY real before embarrassing yourself with posts like this.

Digital Yuri

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The PHA : links for 2008-11-17 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:01:43 +0000

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By: deadmike

deadmike — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:27:54 +0000

They set up the camera for the space shuttle shoot right before taking off, using a prototype Canon mount I believe. For a camera to not clip those highlights, you would need to underexpose a bit. As I understand it they were rushed.
You need to look at some other examples to know what the camera is capable of. And newer ones, the firmware after Build 16 improved the camera tremendously.

By: deadmike

deadmike — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:22:04 +0000

I’m not sure how you can say “In many ways how the 5DII does video is considerably more sophisticated than Red’s tech.”
They are not sampling all the photosites the achieve the 1080p. Also, h.264 is a distribution codec, not an editing one.
24p is not a niche. It is a huge oversight of Canon to not acknowledge that.
What would you say Canon envisions people shooting with their 5d in video mode?

By: CrunchGear » Archive » 5 seriously overhyped digital cameras

CrunchGear » Archive » 5 seriously overhyped digital cameras — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:00:52 +0000

[...] I’m a big fan of the Casio EX-F1 and wrote at length last week on how major the RED announcement was, I can’t disagree with this list. The D90 hasn’t lived up to its hype, the 1D Mk III [...]

By: Don

Don — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:10 +0000

deadmike, I agree about the 5DII model specifically. I was making a point about where the larger industry is heading. Red released the first product into a niche that is too small to interest the large Japanese companies. Single large cmos for very high quality cinematic quality video is the future. It’s not something Red invented. They produced the red one and are announcing products ahead of the curve. In many ways how the 5DII does video is considerably more sophisticated than Red’s tech. The 5DII is not designed to shoot lower budget films. But Canon has done the hard part. Now red needs to get 4 or 5 stops faster, build large specialized IC, and put it all in a small package for several thousand dollars to match Canon.
So who’s the technology leader in the next generation of imaging? Red delayed the scarlet announcement and change the product focus to the more niche cine market because they saw what Canon has done.
I would rather buy red than canon, for several reasons. But some peoples extreme enthusiasm for red lacks critical thinking. In still photography the same thing happened four years ago with Foveon.

By: Devin Coldewey

Devin Coldewey — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:09:35 +0000

Oh, of course not – splitting the beam is almost certainly the way to go, but with a big enough sensor and with a good enough image processor, a bayer can do just fine.

By: deadmike

deadmike — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:04:19 +0000

The 5dii will be great, for stills, thats it. If canon wants to improve the video in the future models, they will eclipse there video camera line, or they will have to converge. The only people that will use 5dii’s for filmmaking, are uber low budget doc guys and indie’s, until they realize it makes there work look like a day time drama.

Don’t get me wrong though, I don’t think many people will be using Scarlets for still shooting, the 645 Red however, could be a great studio still camera for fashion shoots and what not.

Also, FF35 is nice, but you can get damn shallow dof with an 85mm wide open at T1.3 on S35. So saying no dof control is a little bit of an exaggeration.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:42:53 +0000

Devon drank the Koolaid.

There little here that matters beyond cine. These aren’t convergent products. Red hasn’t seemed to take the time to define markets.

What about low light performance? Flash? The less expensive models won’t have DOF control. Only the most expensive scarlet has good dof control.

Canon and Sony don’t lose sleep over red. It’s the other way around. Look at the 5DII we’ll that will be FOR SALE next week. What do you think Canon and Sony will have by 2010.

By: deadmike

deadmike — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:55:27 +0000

Yes the Red’s 4k ends up really at about a 3.2k and it makes a fantastic 2k camera. With bayer you want to downsample.
There upcoming 5k cameras will make a very nice 4k, and the 9k 645 version will make a nice 8k for Imax. Footage can look a tiny bit soft at 100%, but it is meant to be downsampled. Also overly soft images can be attributed to a whacked out backfocus or just straight up focus error. In the past with Red there were some problems with super high detail scenes and the codec not holding up. I haven’t seen those problems in a while.

As far as defending Canon, did you look at there new prosumer cameras. Not so exciting.

By: deadmike

deadmike — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:48:40 +0000

Yes many cameras have problems with the IR filter, why does everyone think its just Red and Leica. The EX1 has problems and I believe originally the Phantom HD had no IR filtering (correct me if i’m wrong, i might be)

By: deadmike

deadmike — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:43:38 +0000

the 5Dii may out perform the Scarlet 2/3 in lowlight, but it will also in looking like a Soap Opera, as well as having far more compression artifacts.