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	<title>Comments on: Apple loses it, suggests puppetmaster behind Psystar</title>
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		<title>By: Psystar&#8217;s folly: 12 million clones per year by 2011</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-1148907</link>
		<dc:creator>Psystar&#8217;s folly: 12 million clones per year by 2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I suppose that these projections, which we may safely call optimistic, are based on geometric growth (unwarranted) from one year&#8217;s figures (essentially invent) and failed to take into account the patent illegality of their entire enterprise. Needless to say, these numbers were not met. Psystar sold a fraction of a fraction of what it promised investors, so even if it were to escape total destruction by Apple&#8217;s hands, it would simply be dismembered by its mysterious creditors. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I suppose that these projections, which we may safely call optimistic, are based on geometric growth (unwarranted) from one year&#8217;s figures (essentially invent) and failed to take into account the patent illegality of their entire enterprise. Needless to say, these numbers were not met. Psystar sold a fraction of a fraction of what it promised investors, so even if it were to escape total destruction by Apple&#8217;s hands, it would simply be dismembered by its mysterious creditors. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Psystar filed for bankruptcy, Apple lawyers seen circling for the kill</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-1025581</link>
		<dc:creator>Psystar filed for bankruptcy, Apple lawyers seen circling for the kill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] X on clone machines. But Psystar showed some backbone and sued Apple back . But even if Psystar had secret financial backing, the company just filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] X on clone machines. But Psystar showed some backbone and sued Apple back . But even if Psystar had secret financial backing, the company just filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Psystar Files its Response to Apple&#8217;s Amended Complaint &#124; World of Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-960436</link>
		<dc:creator>Psystar Files its Response to Apple&#8217;s Amended Complaint &#124; World of Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] any such involvement isn&#8217;t unlawful. The plot thickens. It appears that Apple is correct, and CrunchGear put its foot in its collective mouth. Who are the ten John Does? Contrary to the opinions of some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] any such involvement isn&#8217;t unlawful. The plot thickens. It appears that Apple is correct, and CrunchGear put its foot in its collective mouth. Who are the ten John Does? Contrary to the opinions of some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Coldewey</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-956379</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin Coldewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My LOLcat came out kind of flat. &quot;I can haz conspiracy?&quot; really doesn&#039;t POP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My LOLcat came out kind of flat. &#8220;I can haz conspiracy?&#8221; really doesn&#8217;t POP.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955764</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people that I have run into cheering for Psystar have had very little legal reason why they should win, only their selfish reason that &quot;I want something cheaper.&quot;  Then get off your fat arse and invent something yourself.  Or the usual &quot;I don&#039;t like Apple.&quot;  I asked them if they would like a Judge or Jury to ever rule on a case in which they were involved in that way or would they want to be judged on rules of law and equity.  I rarely get an answer from the &quot;I&#039;m entitled, me, me, me crowd.&quot;

And yes Devin&#039;s comment is boggling if not potentially advocating fraud.  How do I say that?  Well the only basis he gives is that a &quot;grudge&quot; would be sufficient.  I am sorry but &quot;grudges&quot; are not a sufficient cause for a lawsuit.  How would Devin like it if I want around saying boy, I don&#039;t like that Devin guy, I would find some lame excuse to sue him if I had the money.

This is outrageous irresponsibility.  Yes I too am biased in my articles and reveal my bias, but I also give objective legal and unemotional reasons for my position as well.  I know you have read some of my pieces Jim, so you know that I find some of commenting eerily similar to the James Taggert in Atlas Shrugged and the idea of any company being forced to assist their non-inventing competition as the role of Hank Rearden.

However some of the commenters are also from outside the United States, and I realize that there are culturally conditioned economic points of view.  But this case is in America, and what Psystar wants is ridiculous government interference.  Some of us in America still think that is wrong, but there are some of us who think we are &quot;owed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people that I have run into cheering for Psystar have had very little legal reason why they should win, only their selfish reason that &#8220;I want something cheaper.&#8221;  Then get off your fat arse and invent something yourself.  Or the usual &#8220;I don&#8217;t like Apple.&#8221;  I asked them if they would like a Judge or Jury to ever rule on a case in which they were involved in that way or would they want to be judged on rules of law and equity.  I rarely get an answer from the &#8220;I&#8217;m entitled, me, me, me crowd.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes Devin&#8217;s comment is boggling if not potentially advocating fraud.  How do I say that?  Well the only basis he gives is that a &#8220;grudge&#8221; would be sufficient.  I am sorry but &#8220;grudges&#8221; are not a sufficient cause for a lawsuit.  How would Devin like it if I want around saying boy, I don&#8217;t like that Devin guy, I would find some lame excuse to sue him if I had the money.</p>
<p>This is outrageous irresponsibility.  Yes I too am biased in my articles and reveal my bias, but I also give objective legal and unemotional reasons for my position as well.  I know you have read some of my pieces Jim, so you know that I find some of commenting eerily similar to the James Taggert in Atlas Shrugged and the idea of any company being forced to assist their non-inventing competition as the role of Hank Rearden.</p>
<p>However some of the commenters are also from outside the United States, and I realize that there are culturally conditioned economic points of view.  But this case is in America, and what Psystar wants is ridiculous government interference.  Some of us in America still think that is wrong, but there are some of us who think we are &#8220;owed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955689</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for all I know there&#039;s nothing to it, it&#039;s just my &#039;spidey sense&#039; is tingling and has been for a while with this white box reseller. : )


Frankly I&#039;m not sure just why so many are rooting for this company and why they feel the MAC with it&#039;s tiny worldwide share is somehow a giant to be fought off.

The people that seem to be in support of Psystar seem to have a rather adolescent fetor to their reasoning as if Apple regularly grinds up puppies in a blender. They loudly protest on the internet but don&#039;t actually take ant real action. Why so many let a company control their angry feelings and actions and allow themselves to get enraged and foaming begs the question of just who is controlling whom.

The comment from Devin of &quot;Some VC with a grudge against Apple… I’d do it if I had the money.&quot; is boggling. Thankfully, someday Karma will visit :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for all I know there&#8217;s nothing to it, it&#8217;s just my &#8217;spidey sense&#8217; is tingling and has been for a while with this white box reseller. : )</p>
<p>Frankly I&#8217;m not sure just why so many are rooting for this company and why they feel the MAC with it&#8217;s tiny worldwide share is somehow a giant to be fought off.</p>
<p>The people that seem to be in support of Psystar seem to have a rather adolescent fetor to their reasoning as if Apple regularly grinds up puppies in a blender. They loudly protest on the internet but don&#8217;t actually take ant real action. Why so many let a company control their angry feelings and actions and allow themselves to get enraged and foaming begs the question of just who is controlling whom.</p>
<p>The comment from Devin of &#8220;Some VC with a grudge against Apple… I’d do it if I had the money.&#8221; is boggling. Thankfully, someday Karma will visit :)</p>
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		<title>By: ［CG］Psystarの陰にいるヤツは誰だ？</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955460</link>
		<dc:creator>［CG］Psystarの陰にいるヤツは誰だ？</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955450</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to look into it some more for sure.  There are some striking coincidences.

and hey!  I am from Florida.  I could get in my car and take a tour of the Psystar digs if I wanted to.  A bit of a drive but still....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to look into it some more for sure.  There are some striking coincidences.</p>
<p>and hey!  I am from Florida.  I could get in my car and take a tour of the Psystar digs if I wanted to.  A bit of a drive but still&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955442</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would bet my bottom dollar that the author has not read a single substantive filing in this case.  But again, you can&#039;t pass up the chance to create a been-there done-that vacuous Photoshop.  I thank God they at least had the brain not to attempt an LOL cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would bet my bottom dollar that the author has not read a single substantive filing in this case.  But again, you can&#8217;t pass up the chance to create a been-there done-that vacuous Photoshop.  I thank God they at least had the brain not to attempt an LOL cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam Tandury</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955441</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam Tandury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the usual blindingly stupid PC drones talking out their collective asses about shit they know nothing of. 

Mindless Apple haters and Windows zealots with not a fucking clue between the lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the usual blindingly stupid PC drones talking out their collective asses about shit they know nothing of. </p>
<p>Mindless Apple haters and Windows zealots with not a fucking clue between the lot!</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955436</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no basements in South Florida.  And it was always the two brothers, there never was a time when it was just one guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no basements in South Florida.  And it was always the two brothers, there never was a time when it was just one guy.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955435</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not usually a couple of guys in a garage outright stealing the work of others.  Shystar has done nothing original but ripped off Apple and ripped off the OSx86 crew who might indeed now get in trouble.  I believe it is highly immoral and repulsive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not usually a couple of guys in a garage outright stealing the work of others.  Shystar has done nothing original but ripped off Apple and ripped off the OSx86 crew who might indeed now get in trouble.  I believe it is highly immoral and repulsive.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955434</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@really
I have read every filing in this case, what else would you suggest I read?  Please quote in full what you read, that the rest of apparently haven&#039;t because we are too busy parroting ninnies that says what you claim.

Before you waste your time, there is nothing that says that.  There is something that might be that, but I have some very good arguments why it isn&#039;t, which I am working into an article.

So before you suggest to others to read the actual language in the claim, be ready to prove yourself.  Now I agree this article is a piece of sensationalistic rubbish, it isn&#039;t for the reasons you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@really<br />
I have read every filing in this case, what else would you suggest I read?  Please quote in full what you read, that the rest of apparently haven&#8217;t because we are too busy parroting ninnies that says what you claim.</p>
<p>Before you waste your time, there is nothing that says that.  There is something that might be that, but I have some very good arguments why it isn&#8217;t, which I am working into an article.</p>
<p>So before you suggest to others to read the actual language in the claim, be ready to prove yourself.  Now I agree this article is a piece of sensationalistic rubbish, it isn&#8217;t for the reasons you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m aware that one is *.net and one is *.com.

However, over the past 13+ years of spam fighting starting with Cyberpromo I&#039;ve found many, many spammers have all gTLDs set up under various smoke and mirror setups. Since the Psystar operators seem to be only a step away from such similar mindsets (Not to mention being in Florida which seems to spawn spammers) my suspicion is piqued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m aware that one is *.net and one is *.com.</p>
<p>However, over the past 13+ years of spam fighting starting with Cyberpromo I&#8217;ve found many, many spammers have all gTLDs set up under various smoke and mirror setups. Since the Psystar operators seem to be only a step away from such similar mindsets (Not to mention being in Florida which seems to spawn spammers) my suspicion is piqued.</p>
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		<title>By: really</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955416</link>
		<dc:creator>really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus, get some clue, wouldja? And read before you just parrot what some other ninny says. This is about Apple amending their lawsuit to include the OSX86 hackers who wrote some code for fun so people could hackintosh. But then Psystar came along, took that code to make and profit from Open Computer hackintoshes. Now the guys who made what Psystar did possible are in sheepdit.

Read the actual language in the claim. It says nothing about going after a deep pocketed puppetmaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, get some clue, wouldja? And read before you just parrot what some other ninny says. This is about Apple amending their lawsuit to include the OSX86 hackers who wrote some code for fun so people could hackintosh. But then Psystar came along, took that code to make and profit from Open Computer hackintoshes. Now the guys who made what Psystar did possible are in sheepdit.</p>
<p>Read the actual language in the claim. It says nothing about going after a deep pocketed puppetmaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Coldewey</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955406</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin Coldewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some VC with a grudge against Apple... I&#039;d do it if I had the money.

And remember, all the cool companies these days start like that. A couple guys in a garage, until they get their break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some VC with a grudge against Apple&#8230; I&#8217;d do it if I had the money.</p>
<p>And remember, all the cool companies these days start like that. A couple guys in a garage, until they get their break.</p>
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		<title>By: maus</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955400</link>
		<dc:creator>maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Psystar plays their cards right, they could benefit from this exposure. I know! They should release a TV commercial where an unnamed heroine represents the coming of open systems as a means of saving humanity from &quot;conformity&quot; (Apple) by throwing a large hammer through a propaganda screen... oh wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Psystar plays their cards right, they could benefit from this exposure. I know! They should release a TV commercial where an unnamed heroine represents the coming of open systems as a means of saving humanity from &#8220;conformity&#8221; (Apple) by throwing a large hammer through a propaganda screen&#8230; oh wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack West</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955399</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Psystar was first trading, it was one guy in his basement, then overnight it became a corporation with professional premises and legal representation and you don&#039;t think that&#039;s kind of strange. Do some research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Psystar was first trading, it was one guy in his basement, then overnight it became a corporation with professional premises and legal representation and you don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s kind of strange. Do some research.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/03/apple-loses-it-suggests-puppetmaster-behind-psystar/comment-page-1/#comment-955385</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim  Have you seen this?

http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20080903082827766

Groklaw seems to have made a compelling case that the companies were entirely different though the various coincidences (if they are coincidences) were striking.  The fraud company was razorfx.net not razorfx.com.  However both were registered in Miami (different people) and had offices in the same general vicinity (but not the same offices).  

I believe there is something big here, but I do not think that is it.  It is somewhat reasonable to suppose there might be, but we have to recognize that it is conjecture only.

If you have any additional information on that, will you shoot me an email?  dizzle@worldofapple.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim  Have you seen this?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20080903082827766" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20080903082827766</a></p>
<p>Groklaw seems to have made a compelling case that the companies were entirely different though the various coincidences (if they are coincidences) were striking.  The fraud company was razorfx.net not razorfx.com.  However both were registered in Miami (different people) and had offices in the same general vicinity (but not the same offices).  </p>
<p>I believe there is something big here, but I do not think that is it.  It is somewhat reasonable to suppose there might be, but we have to recognize that it is conjecture only.</p>
<p>If you have any additional information on that, will you shoot me an email?  <a href="mailto:dizzle@worldofapple.com">dizzle@worldofapple.com</a></p>
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