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	<title>Comments on: Free market: President Bush not too supportive of free national W-Fi</title>
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		<title>By: Drbuzz0</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-959250</link>
		<dc:creator>Drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of free broadband for all seems very inciting at first, but it&#039;s not realistic in this proposal and it would never work.  it was a horrible idea that has been totally misscharacterized.

The AWS-3 chunk of spectrum represents 20 Mhz.  The area which they wanted to use for free broadband was 5 Mhz.   How much you could fit into that depends largely on signal to noise ratio and a few other factors, but using standard modulation methods it would most likely be something around 20-40 Mbps.   However, due to the nature of these frequencies the area covered is necessarily relatively small and thus wide area coverage is done through a cell-like system.  At least that&#039;s the proposal for AWS-3 and that cuts the bandwidth quite a bit since interferance from adjacent cells is going to be a factor.

This bandwidth is SHARED by everyone in the region who is using the broadband connection.  You&#039;ll find that it dries up very fast when you have many users, especially with stuff like video sites and so on.

If you were to allow free access to this, even with filters, there&#039;d be a huge incentive for everyone to use it to the maximum extent.  People would be downloading youtube stuff, video confrencing and making voip calls on it constantly.

The point is that there is simply not enough bandwidth there.  

Also considering the needed infrastructure this would really be a massive undertaking - without paying customers it would basically have to be funded by the government.

You&#039;re talking about building an entirely new infrastructure on par with the current wireless phone network that took 20 years and billions upon billions of dollars to build.


I&#039;m all for more avaliable broadband, especially to outlying communities but there are better ways to do it:  microwave relay is one way.   Also, don&#039;t be so fast to dismiss wired methods of getting the data out to outlying areas - wired networks always have big advantages over wireless in that they have more bandwidth.   There&#039;s only so much spectrum out there and we all have to share it - this is the limitation of wireless technology.  However, fiber, or even simple and cheap coax can push many gigabits without encountering such problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of free broadband for all seems very inciting at first, but it&#8217;s not realistic in this proposal and it would never work.  it was a horrible idea that has been totally misscharacterized.</p>
<p>The AWS-3 chunk of spectrum represents 20 Mhz.  The area which they wanted to use for free broadband was 5 Mhz.   How much you could fit into that depends largely on signal to noise ratio and a few other factors, but using standard modulation methods it would most likely be something around 20-40 Mbps.   However, due to the nature of these frequencies the area covered is necessarily relatively small and thus wide area coverage is done through a cell-like system.  At least that&#8217;s the proposal for AWS-3 and that cuts the bandwidth quite a bit since interferance from adjacent cells is going to be a factor.</p>
<p>This bandwidth is SHARED by everyone in the region who is using the broadband connection.  You&#8217;ll find that it dries up very fast when you have many users, especially with stuff like video sites and so on.</p>
<p>If you were to allow free access to this, even with filters, there&#8217;d be a huge incentive for everyone to use it to the maximum extent.  People would be downloading youtube stuff, video confrencing and making voip calls on it constantly.</p>
<p>The point is that there is simply not enough bandwidth there.  </p>
<p>Also considering the needed infrastructure this would really be a massive undertaking &#8211; without paying customers it would basically have to be funded by the government.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about building an entirely new infrastructure on par with the current wireless phone network that took 20 years and billions upon billions of dollars to build.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for more avaliable broadband, especially to outlying communities but there are better ways to do it:  microwave relay is one way.   Also, don&#8217;t be so fast to dismiss wired methods of getting the data out to outlying areas &#8211; wired networks always have big advantages over wireless in that they have more bandwidth.   There&#8217;s only so much spectrum out there and we all have to share it &#8211; this is the limitation of wireless technology.  However, fiber, or even simple and cheap coax can push many gigabits without encountering such problems.</p>
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		<title>By: CrunchGear &#187; Archive &#187; And now that FCC meeting concerning free nationwide Wi-Fi won&#8217;t even happen</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrunchGear &#187; Archive &#187; And now that FCC meeting concerning free nationwide Wi-Fi won&#8217;t even happen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great is this: the FCC meeting that was scheduled to take place this week where they&#8217;d discuss the plans for free nationwide [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] great is this: the FCC meeting that was scheduled to take place this week where they&#8217;d discuss the plans for free nationwide [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958808</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on Earth does crunchgear allow this moron to write for them? He&#039;s nothing but a shill for the rotten liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on Earth does crunchgear allow this moron to write for them? He&#8217;s nothing but a shill for the rotten liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958670</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you guys think that national program would work much better then city-wide attempts. Big cities with a lot of tech-savvy proponents for &quot;free&quot; stuff tried Wi-Fi programs. Pretty much all of them went belly up and cost city taxpayers a lot of money. Do you really thing that now is the best time to throw away more money? If Wi-Fi was profitable we wold have people trying to make money. If is not then you are asking for subsidies. I would rather keep the money then have gov types spending them for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you guys think that national program would work much better then city-wide attempts. Big cities with a lot of tech-savvy proponents for &#8220;free&#8221; stuff tried Wi-Fi programs. Pretty much all of them went belly up and cost city taxpayers a lot of money. Do you really thing that now is the best time to throw away more money? If Wi-Fi was profitable we wold have people trying to make money. If is not then you are asking for subsidies. I would rather keep the money then have gov types spending them for me.</p>
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		<title>By: mjwedeking</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958601</link>
		<dc:creator>mjwedeking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, you want the government managing the internets. I pay for internets for my household why should I pay for the lazy person down the street who wont get a job to pay for their own internets? Let&#039;s also get the government to pay for cell phone and text messaging.

Free market is right. If it is to expensive, don&#039;t pay for it. If you don&#039;t like the service, don&#039;t pay for it.

The internet is not a necessity it is a luxury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, you want the government managing the internets. I pay for internets for my household why should I pay for the lazy person down the street who wont get a job to pay for their own internets? Let&#8217;s also get the government to pay for cell phone and text messaging.</p>
<p>Free market is right. If it is to expensive, don&#8217;t pay for it. If you don&#8217;t like the service, don&#8217;t pay for it.</p>
<p>The internet is not a necessity it is a luxury.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958593</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone hates Bush, just as not everyone loves Obama.</description>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958541</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an inherent assumption here - that the profits the winning bidder will earn on the unencumbered 75% will be high enough that they will be able to eat the costs of the &quot;free&quot; service and still earn a satisfactory return on the whole thing. After all, the spectrum itself is only one part of the overall cost of the service. On the flip side, there&#039;s an assumption that the benefit of extending broadband service to underserved areas outweighs the costs of (1) the reduced revenue to the government from an auction of encumbered spectrum versus unencumbered plus (2) reduced private sector revenue as some portion of paying customers flee to &quot;free&quot; service.  That&#039;s a more complicated analysis than &quot;Bush is teh suck!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an inherent assumption here &#8211; that the profits the winning bidder will earn on the unencumbered 75% will be high enough that they will be able to eat the costs of the &#8220;free&#8221; service and still earn a satisfactory return on the whole thing. After all, the spectrum itself is only one part of the overall cost of the service. On the flip side, there&#8217;s an assumption that the benefit of extending broadband service to underserved areas outweighs the costs of (1) the reduced revenue to the government from an auction of encumbered spectrum versus unencumbered plus (2) reduced private sector revenue as some portion of paying customers flee to &#8220;free&#8221; service.  That&#8217;s a more complicated analysis than &#8220;Bush is teh suck!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Thursby</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958471</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thursby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this guy serious?  He sits by while the economy goes to hell and then has something to say about this?  

I agree 100% with the article though.  The free market has done nothing to provide broadband access to the entire country.  That&#039;s why I have to live in town as opposed to having 20 acres in the country.  Job depends on high speed.

Plus, it&#039;d be nice to be able to drive around with my laptop in the car knowing I could get a connection without paying an additional fee every month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this guy serious?  He sits by while the economy goes to hell and then has something to say about this?  </p>
<p>I agree 100% with the article though.  The free market has done nothing to provide broadband access to the entire country.  That&#8217;s why I have to live in town as opposed to having 20 acres in the country.  Job depends on high speed.</p>
<p>Plus, it&#8217;d be nice to be able to drive around with my laptop in the car knowing I could get a connection without paying an additional fee every month.</p>
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		<title>By: lastgiantrobot</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/free-market-president-bush-not-too-supportive-of-free-national-w-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-958451</link>
		<dc:creator>lastgiantrobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, off course, there is nothing at all detestable about forcing private individuals to do something for free...</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, a free market does not exist in the US...not even close...only in rhetoric.

I find it very hard to believe that entrepreneurs cannot make money providing broadband.

But let&#039;s say that it&#039;s true...

What does that tell you about demand? Obviously resources are in higher demand elsewhere, so entrepreneurs are acting rationally by allocating resources to where they are demanded most.

Government does the opposite. It coercively allocates resources to areas of low demand...The term &quot;government waste&quot; wasn&#039;t coined by accident.

Entrepreneurs would provide broadband the most efficiently were there a free market...But like I said in the first sentence, a free market is yet to exist (outside of lip service).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, a free market does not exist in the US&#8230;not even close&#8230;only in rhetoric.</p>
<p>I find it very hard to believe that entrepreneurs cannot make money providing broadband.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s say that it&#8217;s true&#8230;</p>
<p>What does that tell you about demand? Obviously resources are in higher demand elsewhere, so entrepreneurs are acting rationally by allocating resources to where they are demanded most.</p>
<p>Government does the opposite. It coercively allocates resources to areas of low demand&#8230;The term &#8220;government waste&#8221; wasn&#8217;t coined by accident.</p>
<p>Entrepreneurs would provide broadband the most efficiently were there a free market&#8230;But like I said in the first sentence, a free market is yet to exist (outside of lip service).</p>
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		<title>By: weatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>weatherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President who?</p>
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