Comments on: Phantom Operating System to kill Windows AND Linux

By: torq

torq — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:31:17 +0000

Read the whitepaper before making conclusions.

(MS-Word, English)
http://dz.ru/en/documents/dz_phantom_whitepaper_11Feb2009_00.doc

I find this idea at least interesting enough to speculate upon easiness of developing apps for such an OS.

By: TWS

TWS — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:55:57 +0000

In my opinion, Linux is killing windows…slowly….. but safely.

By: Ereon

Ereon — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:26:02 +0000

Thanks for article. Realy great. Translate to MX lang and publish to my linux web pages

By: Alani Kuye

Alani Kuye — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:17:39 +0000

here we go again about whats going to kill Windows and Linux……..

By: ov3rcl0ck

ov3rcl0ck — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:39:34 +0000

First off. If you want this on Linux, simply use hibernate. Secondly, this would be VERY slow, you would have to right to RAM and HDD. Thirdly, very wide margin for data corruption and completely crash the system. Fourthly, energy consumption of contently righting to memory. Fifthly, RAM and HD would get extremely fragmented. SIXTHLY, if it works for phantom OS then Microsoft and Linux will just copy it and make it better. This is not the OS of the future, thats just crazy talk, its not even a new idea MANY portable OS’s use this method the only reason you don’t see it on desktops is because desktop applications are generally larger and more resources, so if you were to use this method on a desktop it will be very unefficient and laggy.

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By: Uncle B

Uncle B — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:26:36 +0000

Didn’t come from and American college? How cum? Sports cars and football get in the way? Too many drunken orgies to think straight? Too many shipments of really good dope lately? Spending more time on elaborate schemes that lead nowhere? Too much space-travel gobbledygook going on? Old profs with tenure still lost in 1967 and wasting your time? Remember, the Russians used pencils to write with in space, because they worked! Is that what is wrong, or are you so busy trying to line up with Microsoft for a cushy sales job you didn’t have time to study? WTF!

By: Sam

Sam — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:15:23 +0000

Better if he contributed to existing FreeBSD or Linux kernels.

I would love to see an instant-on computer, I just don’t think we’ll realistically see it anytime soon.

I am not including cellphones, smart phones, or pdas in my definition of computer.

By: OS fantomas : nežinau.lt

OS fantomas : nežinau.lt — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:23:01 +0000

[...] atrodo, kad Windows tinka visur? OSX? Rusijos programuotojas Dmitrijus Zavališinas mano, kad mobilieji aparatai turi turėti unikalią savo OS. Phantom neturi failų – tačiau ji nuolat rašo į atmintį aktyvių programų ir objektų [...]

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:29:34 +0000

The problem with solid state is that it has only a limited number of writes. less aware people would go out and buy, say a 500GB SSD, and then cry after about a year because all their data has been lost. The time limit would shorten even further if you were continuosly saving the OS state to disk because it would be writing mass amounts of data, hundreds of times a day. HDD is sound, it should not be irradicated.

By: ksiimson

ksiimson — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:39:59 +0000

2 gigs of ram costs like $30 here in the USA, really it’s no problem to get this amount of RAM, my computer has 2 gigs as well. Retail computers rarely come with less than 1 gig of ram here.

By: Charlie Lobo

Charlie Lobo — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:55:31 +0000

Actually it makes perfect sense for a cloud enviorment, instead of “saving” to disk you “save” to wherever your OS is hosted. It’s neat because you can upload as much as you need into the client, and if the computer goes Kaboom you can continue from any other computer.

By: Seven

Seven — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:30:30 +0000

In Soviet Russia,
computer outdates YOU!

By: Airdrik

Airdrik — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:16:57 +0000

It is definitely an interesting concept: The OS is one big virtual machine, and the ‘file system’ is merely object storage.
I don’t see this going anywhere very fast unless they can gather together a huge following. They need the huge following in order to code up all of the things necessary to get anywhere with a new OS; namely Drivers and programs (or a compatibility layer to allow running of foreign programs). Of course there is also the marketing side of getting the word out and trying to convince people that this new OS is superior enough to their current OS that they need to switch.

This is not a Windows or Linux killer (at least it won’t come close for another 10-30 years). At best I see this filling some niche in the server market. OO vs. non-OO at the os level makes no difference to the casual user.

By: Alexander

Alexander — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:07:42 +0000

In Russia, most computers are just two potatoes with wire strung between them.

By: Davin

Davin — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:43:06 +0000

This should only change the way the OS runs not applications. Applications will still start up, do some stuff then shut down. Even in a persistent state environment all that will be lost is the shut down part (and the start up part after the first start up).
So the creation of applications should not change very much.

By: Davin

Davin — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:36:11 +0000

Both Linux and Windows do something similar already but they just treat the writing to disk as only RAM. Swap and Virtual memory are pretty much the same thing as this and those don’t cause that much lag while continually saving to disk.

By: Scott Merrill

Scott Merrill — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:58:32 +0000

I don’t think we’ll see a wholesale move to “cloud” computing or storage for a long time yet. We’re really only taking babysteps toward that end with things like GMail and online office applications.

For a long time yet there will be a need for local storage. Even in a cloud-based world, local storage can be used in many useful ways. As such, saving changes to a local storage medium has some tremendous value.

By: dz

dz — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:52:06 +0000

Generally, you are right. And it is not even needed to calculate checksum – it is possible to tell what is changed much easier, using VM memory page attributes.

By: dz

dz — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:42:55 +0000

“parts” is usual – you can memory map such part in Unix as well. To really benefit from persistence, you need ALL of the system state to be saved. It changes way of software is created dramatically.