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	<title>Comments on: Symantec, what&#8217;s PIFTS? Please don&#8217;t delete this! (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: What’s up with Symantec and PIFTS? &#187; Breaking News Update</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1078145</link>
		<dc:creator>What’s up with Symantec and PIFTS? &#187; Breaking News Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be.  This lead to widespread stories about the problem and Symantec&#8217;s coverup including CrunchGear (Digg), the Telegraph and many blogs and even ranked highly in Google Trends for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be.  This lead to widespread stories about the problem and Symantec&#8217;s coverup including CrunchGear (Digg), the Telegraph and many blogs and even ranked highly in Google Trends for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: H.K.</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-992264</link>
		<dc:creator>H.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire situation has to be pretty unnerving for Norton users.  The chat session text above demonstrates the utter lack of control that Norton has about the issue.  I guess nobody can be totally realiant on a single anti-virus provider for all their needs; that&#039;s why I use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.justaskgemalto.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; digital security site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire situation has to be pretty unnerving for Norton users.  The chat session text above demonstrates the utter lack of control that Norton has about the issue.  I guess nobody can be totally realiant on a single anti-virus provider for all their needs; that&#8217;s why I use <a href="http://www.justaskgemalto.com/" rel="nofollow">This</a> digital security site.</p>
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		<title>By: thehbcrew</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-991386</link>
		<dc:creator>thehbcrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apple encourages the widespread use of multiple anti-virus utilities so that virus programmers have more than one application to circumvent, thus making the whole virus writing process more difficult.&quot; 

They might not be as malicious as some windows viruses, but maybe if you apple people installed an antivirus you may find some out there.  If nobody puts it on nobody knows they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apple encourages the widespread use of multiple anti-virus utilities so that virus programmers have more than one application to circumvent, thus making the whole virus writing process more difficult.&#8221; </p>
<p>They might not be as malicious as some windows viruses, but maybe if you apple people installed an antivirus you may find some out there.  If nobody puts it on nobody knows they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s up with Symantec and PIFTS? &#124; The Streisand Effect</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-991342</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s up with Symantec and PIFTS? &#124; The Streisand Effect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be.  This lead to widespread stories about the problem and Symantec&#8217;s coverup including CrunchGear (Digg), the Telegraph and many blogs and even ranked highly in Google Trends for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be.  This lead to widespread stories about the problem and Symantec&#8217;s coverup including CrunchGear (Digg), the Telegraph and many blogs and even ranked highly in Google Trends for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nevery</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-991208</link>
		<dc:creator>nevery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, my mac boots windows xp-sp3 within vmware in 14 seconds, and it works flawlessly. (that is, the mac side of the equation, lol.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, my mac boots windows xp-sp3 within vmware in 14 seconds, and it works flawlessly. (that is, the mac side of the equation, lol.)</p>
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		<title>By: nevery</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-991195</link>
		<dc:creator>nevery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm... unix core? lol. i&#039;m going out on a limb, but you&#039;re windows? 

so was i, hardcore, for over 15 years. macs are superior in almost every way (with exception to business software). and mac techies are almost as geeky as linux techies. windows techies (like i used to be) are problem solvers. likely, because they need to be.

(ps. and yes, i&#039;m so friggen&#039; cool i don&#039;t need to use caps... and i&#039;m a mac.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm&#8230; unix core? lol. i&#8217;m going out on a limb, but you&#8217;re windows? </p>
<p>so was i, hardcore, for over 15 years. macs are superior in almost every way (with exception to business software). and mac techies are almost as geeky as linux techies. windows techies (like i used to be) are problem solvers. likely, because they need to be.</p>
<p>(ps. and yes, i&#8217;m so friggen&#8217; cool i don&#8217;t need to use caps&#8230; and i&#8217;m a mac.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-991186</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norton is lying.  People have asked about PIFTS for months and they&#039;ve always banned everyone who asked.  Only after 4chan got involved did this get attention.

PIFTS is a rootkit they use to spy on your computer and give to google, the US government, and some server in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norton is lying.  People have asked about PIFTS for months and they&#8217;ve always banned everyone who asked.  Only after 4chan got involved did this get attention.</p>
<p>PIFTS is a rootkit they use to spy on your computer and give to google, the US government, and some server in Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Symantec&#8217;s Community Challenge &#124; Heroix Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990841</link>
		<dc:creator>Symantec&#8217;s Community Challenge &#124; Heroix Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the unfiltered style of the highly-frustrated, it appeared to be a spam attack and Symantec began deleting posts from their forums. This fed the conspiracy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the unfiltered style of the highly-frustrated, it appeared to be a spam attack and Symantec began deleting posts from their forums. This fed the conspiracy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990696</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Symantec wont have access to your password, they probably only save a hash of it. Symantec has been covering up this whole PIFTS thing for a few days now, and various other websites have been taking down information on it. Smells awfully like a coverup. 

I dont see why anyone would choose to use norton in the first place, it is extremely bloated, bogs down the system, and does not pick up viruses that a free antivirus scanner does. Oh, and its a real bastard to uninstall.

Best solution is to never go anywhere near norton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Symantec wont have access to your password, they probably only save a hash of it. Symantec has been covering up this whole PIFTS thing for a few days now, and various other websites have been taking down information on it. Smells awfully like a coverup. </p>
<p>I dont see why anyone would choose to use norton in the first place, it is extremely bloated, bogs down the system, and does not pick up viruses that a free antivirus scanner does. Oh, and its a real bastard to uninstall.</p>
<p>Best solution is to never go anywhere near norton.</p>
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		<title>By: duper</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990671</link>
		<dc:creator>duper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&amp;thread.id=39119</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&amp;thread.id=39119" rel="nofollow">http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&amp;thread.id=39119</a></p>
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		<title>By: YUAAAAAAA</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990638</link>
		<dc:creator>YUAAAAAAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH GOD HOW DID PIFTS GET HERE AM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTAR.

But in more serious news, I don&#039;t actually know what I had to say. Hopefully this madness resolves soon. Or hopefully it&#039;s already resolved and I&#039;m late to the party. 

Where&#039;d all the punch go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH GOD HOW DID PIFTS GET HERE AM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTAR.</p>
<p>But in more serious news, I don&#8217;t actually know what I had to say. Hopefully this madness resolves soon. Or hopefully it&#8217;s already resolved and I&#8217;m late to the party. </p>
<p>Where&#8217;d all the punch go?</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990586</link>
		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ajmal(Tue Mar 10 2009 13:19:41 GMT-0700 (PDT))&gt;
I have no information about that file, Network Admin and I suggest that you block the file from accessing the internet&quot;

Is this a Symantec rep admitting they got pwned?

I mean, they wouldn&#039;t tell you to block the file unless they knew it:

a) was completely critical to the functioning of Norton, and blocking it would put you at risk, or

b) was a(n internally) known-hacked Norton component.  Most 0-days these days are known to target antivirus apps first to prevent successful updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ajmal(Tue Mar 10 2009 13:19:41 GMT-0700 (PDT))&gt;<br />
I have no information about that file, Network Admin and I suggest that you block the file from accessing the internet&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this a Symantec rep admitting they got pwned?</p>
<p>I mean, they wouldn&#8217;t tell you to block the file unless they knew it:</p>
<p>a) was completely critical to the functioning of Norton, and blocking it would put you at risk, or</p>
<p>b) was a(n internally) known-hacked Norton component.  Most 0-days these days are known to target antivirus apps first to prevent successful updates.</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990582</link>
		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If its harmless and common, why wouldn&#039;t symantec own up to it instead of deleting threads and banning users with no warning and no comunicae?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If its harmless and common, why wouldn&#8217;t symantec own up to it instead of deleting threads and banning users with no warning and no comunicae?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990579</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you know? I&#039;ve known this for years! Norton is the worst computer virus that you can get!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you know? I&#8217;ve known this for years! Norton is the worst computer virus that you can get!</p>
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		<title>By: Worldly News</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990577</link>
		<dc:creator>Worldly News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s called being banned because you broke the TOS and signed up again and your ip probably was the same so they knew it was you doing it again.

Norton sucks anyways, switch over to Panda or Nod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s called being banned because you broke the TOS and signed up again and your ip probably was the same so they knew it was you doing it again.</p>
<p>Norton sucks anyways, switch over to Panda or Nod.</p>
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		<title>By: Old iPhone, Anti-Piracy App, Tweetie Rejected, iNetbook?, Dancing Woz!, PIFTS? &#171; Trying to Write</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990571</link>
		<dc:creator>Old iPhone, Anti-Piracy App, Tweetie Rejected, iNetbook?, Dancing Woz!, PIFTS? &#171; Trying to Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wtf is PIFTS? [CrunchGear] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wtf is PIFTS? [CrunchGear] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hahahaha</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990563</link>
		<dc:creator>hahahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[17:14]   #pifts           57      [+ntr] Norton accidentally an entire BBS Boards=locked, fags=told.  http://tinyurl.com/bl8bvx &#124; #help for help with registering + custom vhosts &#124; http://partyvan.info/wiki/Pifts &#124; CURRENT GOAL: PISS OFF PEOPLE @ SYMANTEC, NEGITIVELY AFFECT IT&#039;S STOCK &#124; This is not a /b/ channel; /b/ shit=b&amp; &#124; some fix the colors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[17:14]   #pifts           57      [+ntr] Norton accidentally an entire BBS Boards=locked, fags=told.  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/bl8bvx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/bl8bvx</a> | #help for help with registering + custom vhosts | <a href="http://partyvan.info/wiki/Pifts" rel="nofollow">http://partyvan.info/wiki/Pifts</a> | CURRENT GOAL: PISS OFF PEOPLE @ SYMANTEC, NEGITIVELY AFFECT IT&#8217;S STOCK | This is not a /b/ channel; /b/ shit=b&amp; | some fix the colors</p>
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		<title>By: MrNick</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990562</link>
		<dc:creator>MrNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux anyone? I could tear your MAC a new one security-wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux anyone? I could tear your MAC a new one security-wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemony Vengeance</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990560</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemony Vengeance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try it out... be breaking it over your thick head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try it out&#8230; be breaking it over your thick head.</p>
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		<title>By: Cats</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/10/symantec-whats-pifts-please-dont-delete-this/comment-page-1/#comment-990559</link>
		<dc:creator>Cats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shopped.</p>
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