Not content at owning 100% of the world’s brand awareness, Apple is looking into building its own chipset and has even hired a team to work on “multifunction” mobile chips.
In the cellphone world, a chip is a chip. Most of them are ARM-based but there are a few outliers. Most importantly, however, each has a similar power profile. Therefore, by controlling the entire chip themselves, Apple can handle its own graphics, video, and audio output as well optimize for power control – a huge concern with devices like the iPhone.
Quoth the WSJ:
In one sign of the new focus, Apple recently hired Raja Koduri, who was formerly the chief technology officer of the graphics products group at chip maker Advanced Micro Devices Inc. Mr. Koduri started at Apple this week, following in the footsteps of Bob Drebin, who had held the same title at AMD and is also now working for Apple. Online job postings from Apple describe dozens of chip-related positions it is trying to fill, some with partial descriptions like “testing the functional correctness of Apple developed silicon.”
This is Apple’s MO: build an all-star team in stealth mode and launch their internal product to much rejoicing. As expected, Apple declined to comment.
I think Apple is turning into the next Microsoft by trying to build its own closed standard technology. I think it sucks. Their OS can’t run on a PC, itunes and ipods are locked together, DRM contents, locks iphone. I think it totally sucks. Good luck with that apple.
Dude, those Apple fan boys will always give Apple their money. No matter how closed their technology is or even if Steve Jobs slept with their wives.
It’s true.
However the difference with Microsoft and Apples closed standards, is Apples are actually worth paying for.
As long as Macs (hardware+software), iPods and iTunes all still rock, then I see no problem. Kudos to Apple for doing something very few companies can.
time will tell.
True, Dude. Apple products are worth buying, no one can match their design or their technology. And iPod and IPhone do rock, let us not forget it!!!
Yes, closed like the Alliance between IBM/Motorola/Apple. As Apple has already designed and implemented chips in the past to match their specific needs, how would this be any different?
Vote with your dollars, but why do you care so much about what others buy? Get a life…
I, for one, would be honoured if the Steve slept with my wife!
“Mr. Jobs, would you do me the honor of sleeping with my wife?” A True Fanboy.
Pthooo. Shameless morons! :-)
I will go a step further.
If Steve Jobs want my a-blip, I would happily bend over.
It’s sad, but very true.
or their moms
I think we’ll ‘always give them our money’ because the closed standards allow Apple to more closely control quality and ensure things work the way us fan boys want it to.
Riiight, and the added bonus of them being in full control of what you use and how you use it, and only letting you use other Apple products with it is just coindince right?
You are willingly subjecting to a consumer lock-in.
So how would you like it if every other company in the world had the same type of system ?
Gotta love a “technologist” that can’t figure out how to export a library of music to another standard.
Apple is being sued a million times over in some countries for the iPods locked to iTunes thing.
And yes, I HATE how incredibly closed everything Apple is, they are worse than Sony.
Don’t even get me STARTED on the iPhone. I’ll stick with my fully customizable, hackable, and reprogrammable Windows Mobile phones thanks.
Fan-f*cking tastic. So don’t buy their products. Is that so hard? Seriously…
Why do you feel the need to suddenly get so defensive and violent?
Maybe, but Microsoft sucked at it.
Apple has adopted a “closed” approach in order to control the user experience and insure higher quality. That’s why an ipod is only suppose to sync with itunes, or OS X only runs on Mac machines…it’s all about protecting that image of Apple being easy.
“or OS X only runs on Mac machines…it’s all about protecting that image of Apple being easy.”
That is why people have gotten it running on a “Hack”intosn with BETTER performance than a Mac right?
Face it, they are trying to go for full consumer lock in and a practical monopoly.
That, my friend, is wishful thinking.
If you are that angry at Apple, why bother hackintosh OS X?
Avoid anything fruity like a plague.
Run, Akuma Run!!!
What part of it is wishful thinking?
There ARE such Hackintosh systems, and they cost less than an equivelent Mac.
Ok, let me get this straight.
Macs are not about “performance per $$”
“Being easy” is way more important to Apple.
How you translate Easy of Mac into Performance of Hackintosh is what I called “wishful thinking”
Transplant OS X to a home brewed PC box is far from easy & painless. Besides you just can’t get the hardware/software integration experience. A beauty is a beauty not just because of her 36D boobs, but all the great aspect together as a whole.
“How you translate Easy of Mac into Performance of Hackintosh is what I called “wishful thinking””
Download
Install
Sounds like easy to me
“Besides you just can’t get the hardware/software integration experience”
Funny thing to say when they use THE SAME HARDWARE.
“A beauty is a beauty not just because of her 36D boobs, but all the great aspect together as a whole.”
Please tell me you are not trying to compare Apple products to supermodels… at least you got the golddigger aspect right.
@Cyber Akuma
Specs are one aspect of hardware.
Quality also matters, Design also matters.
Even the exact same configuration. At pc’s world, HP machines are generally more solid than Dell. Dell’s latitude line are more solid than Inspiron. Even running Windows, Macbook trumps them all.
“Specs are one aspect of hardware.
Quality also matters, Design also matters.”
Don’t tell me you are one of those who still believes the hardware in a Mac is unique?
I don’t mean the spacs match, I didn’t mean a similar configuration, I mean they ARE the same damn hardware found in Dells and HPs and Gateways and all sorts of other manufacturers that are not bargin bin brands.
THE
SAME
HARDWARE
The same cpus, cards, whatever I can go to bestbuy and purchase are the ones used in Macs, they are not special or built to a higher standard in any way, THEY ARE THE SAME THING. Not “like” the same thing, but LITERALLY the same thing.
Oh, and a macbook with Windows trumping any laptop running Windows? That is a flat out lie.
Try get the cheapest components and put a machine together yourself.
You’ll see what I mean.
No, they are not the same.
Not every computer is born equal.
No rainbow & unicorn. It’s the race to the bottom real world. And it can get ugly.
Guess apple has enough in the bank to support its own designing / manufacturing. Mobile is certainly growing and the focus might shift to Mobiles from iPods…
They need to name those chips something cool, like fat agnus or super denise.
Amiga FTW!
Apple has really built quality items over the years and it’s even better if they internalize more things to maintain high quality.
TechFilipino
“Quality Items”
You know, I hear this crap a lot, but its kinda hard to believe when their computers USE ALL THE SAME PARTS DELL OR OTHER PC MANUFACTURERS USE.
Get a PC above e-machine quality and it will last years.
“Quality items” includes design and attention to details.
And name me a Dell machine which uses aircraft grade aluminium.
Do us all a favour and go troll somewhere else.
““Quality items” includes design and attention to details”
Designed WHAT exactly?
The CPU, GPU, ram, harddrives, etc etc, everything except the motherboard and case are made by other manufacturers, the exact same parts you can find in any retailer.
Its not as if Intel has a special shipment of “Mac-only” CPUs then ships the lower quality CPUs to everyone else.
Same goes for EVERYTHING ELSE in a mac.
If you like fancy cases, there are far more options to choose from for a PC than a mac.
“And name me a Dell machine which uses aircraft grade aluminium.”
I was primarly talking about desktops, and damn are you hilarious. “aircraft grade aluminium” Riiight, because people getting their Laptops SHOT AT or THROWN THOUSANDS OF FEET is such a big and common problem in the world right?
Why the hell would you need aircraft grade aluminum for in a laptop beyond e-peen? The internals would still suffer damage from g-shocks anyway, regardless of the exterior. When a laptop falls, unless you dropped it from a 5th story window, the internals suffer damage from the SHOCK of hitting the ground, not from the outside case cracking. The internals are far more likely to suffer damage than a plastic case actually shattering from a shock.
What next, you’re going to defend the Mac Air?
“And name me a Dell machine which uses aircraft grade aluminium”
Well, there is Adamo.
I’ll defend the Mac Air. Light, fast enough, decent screen size… $1800. Not too bad. I was tired of carrying a 17″ MacBook to Europe.
Why do you give a damn what I spend my money on? And, I’ll buy another, so imagine how taken advantage of I feel. Having used OS X on black cubes, all I can say is that Mr. Jobs prefers to control the process. The AIM alliance made chips before, and they are still evolving as Power processors. I like ARM and I like RISC. I also like a BSD underside.
Run whatever you want. But, stop complaining about what I use!
I love these sort of comments, ignoring the simple fact, that tight integration of hard and software gives us what we really want, a faster and more stable OS with better apps.
I never forget one Lufthansa flight, where their Windows Mobile based entertainment system crashed with a 20 minutes frequency :-)
Funny, my Windows Mobile phone stays on for weeks without problems.
And unlike the iPhone I have full control over it and can replace/edit any part of it.
So, don’t buy an iPhone. But do buy a life. Or something that will shut you up.
And can you give me a good reason why I am not allowed to post my opinions here?
Would you have felt the same way if I said Windows Mobile sucks and that the iPhone rules?
Mr. Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes but Steve Jobs now makes apple flavoured chips :)
The title of the article is somewhat misleading. Apple is looking into designing its own chips. Apple is not trying to get into the chip fabrication business, and for good reason.
which is actually old news
Big step for apple. The game is up and people are in the business of cloning Mac’s – makes sense for Mac to add a “mystery” chip into the mix that controls some “vital” and “mysterious” mac process.
Fanboys will think its great – but for the rest of the great unwashed (like me) its just Apple being as devious and nasty as MSN.
I used to think Apple were the good guys…
They’re good of course. When we can take it without any fuss when Microsoft does it, why not do the same with Apple? This is a breakthrough for Apple and hope Steve Jobs is into this whole thing.
Yea, its funny how they managed to muscle the big music labels into offer DRM free music downloads.
It is a great thing that DRM is starting to die for the music labels now, and iTunes was definately a big part of it.
I just wish Apple felt the same way about movies, they did a complete 180 in regards to movies and DRM.
Apple feel the same way about the movies.
The fruity company is only interested in DRMed softwares.
But the movie giants feels different right now, they still hope BD would take off.
So no, DRM-free video from major label is not happening.
“Apple feel the same way about the movies.”
No they do not, Steve has specifically said that he feels movies are different and SHOULD contain DRM and lockdowns, unlike music.
Jobs said: “Video is pretty different from music right now because the video industry does not distribute 90 percent of their content DRM free. Never has. So I think they are in a pretty different situation, and I wouldn’t hold it to a parallel at all.”
Note the “video industry” reference? That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
Steve Jobs didn’t push it knowing it’s not happening anytime soon.
“Steve Jobs didn’t push it knowing it’s not happening anytime soon.”
Please, this is the guy who forced the RIAA to listen to him instead of the other way around.
If he wanted to, he easily could.
He clearly wanted DRM-free music. He fight for it with EVERY major label for more than two years and get it later than Amazon/Walmart.
He is powerful, but not omnipotent.
Youre right. I think is hedging in case it loses its case against Psystar – if the happens the floodgates of Mac clones will appear. This will then force Apple to create its own chip so that future releases of OS X cannot be run on clones.
I thought this approach failed for both Sun and IBM…
IMHO someone is paid by M.i.c.r.o.s.o.f.t here, guess who…
ha ha I always wanted to say that :-)))))
And maybe on more thing:
Some people love Apple.
Get over it!
(even if you’re paid)
If they got success then Apple will come out with more amazing products like iphone and will again rule the world.
it woudl have been a better idea if apple started making chips ( yes, i’m talking about the one which you can eat) …. This indeed is an awesome idea coz this can fetch apple huge bucks every year… Apple chips! umm….
They will be successful only if you call them the iChips.
What does this statement mean?
“In the cellphone world, a chip is a chip.”
Seriously. I don’t get it.
wait and watch
Welcome the Creative Zii chip.
The way I see it they wont be able to blame anyone but themselves when their craptastic chips fail. Ther eis no way in hell they can build better chips than intel maybe they will come in fourth due to AMD and IBM still being in the game APPLE SUCKS! LOL Even Sun Micro builds better than they ever will.
we seem to forget Apple’s tow other attempts in making their own chips..
Once with Newton and once with IBM and Motorola as partners in AIM..
I have a room full of “quality” Imacs. Man talk about a pile of crap. They are soooo slow even for an old machine. Probably why we have them stacked in a pile in a corner and replaced them with PC’s.
To the very first poster…
MAC HARDWARE IS PC HARDWARE you ignorant fool. Microsoft is a software maker. They do not make PC’s. They don’t have a closed standard unless you are talking about them protecting their intellectual property by not releasing the source to Windows.
What?
You call Office doc xls ppt open?
You call ActiveX open?
You call DirectX open?
You call SilverLight open?
You call anything MSFT ever touched open?
Shocked! Disbelief! Speechless!
Compared to MACOSX or just about any Apple gadget it is.
Compare a iPhone to a WinMo phone.
iPhone is locked down tight, you aren’t allowed to mess with how it works, you can’t do anything other than add apps that cannot mess with other apps. On top of that Apple does not allow certain types of apps or apps that could act as replacements for one of their’s.
My WinMo phone…. in my previous one I REPLACED the wireless manager, media player, web browser, even the DIALER with different ones that I wanted, was able to browse all system files, basically, I could do anything with any file if I wanted to, even install a completely different GUI.
Compare to WinMo I feel so blessed with iPhone’s guarded playground.
WinMo as it is now & 6.5 of near future will remain the least user friendly mobile platform of all the major contenders.
Thanks but no thanks.
Also there is nothing open about WinMo or Windows for that matter.
Letting people run around doing all sorts of crazy geeky things does not equal open. And that does not necessarily benefit the consumers. In WinMo’s case, more like incompetent.
“Letting people run around doing all sorts of crazy geeky things does not equal open. And that does not necessarily benefit the consumers. In WinMo’s case, more like incompetent.”
Sounds like you are so riled up to defend Apple you don’t even realize that you are basically saying it is a good thing that Apple locks down everything, doesn’t let you do what you want, and basically tells you what you should be doing.
Funny, I thought this was MY device, not a rental from Apple.
Open does not necessarily mean Open Source.
You are trying to defend aspects of Apple that even other Apple fanboys agree are negatives, namely trying to argue FOR consumer lock in and lack of choice.
Why don’t you go live somewhere with an oppressive dictatorship so the government can tell you what to do in everything? After all, who needs choice and freedom when its “easy” and looks shiny right?
Freedom and Choice is incompetence!
@Cyber Akuma
Yes I said it before, I’ll say it again.
I want Apple to make decisions for me so I don’t have to.
As long as I get to choose from Apple among other options.
if Apple make enough bad decisions or just a few, but to me very important ones.
I’ll just leave.
I’m a costumer, I’m a fun, but not a slave.
I stay with Apple for a reason. Not because I have no other choice or blindly ignor the rest of the world.
From the bottom of my heart – I really really hate WinMo. I’ve owned a few WinMo phones, the last one was a HTC touch Diamond. Let’s just say it died a untimely death and I’m guilty of gadgetocide.
Apple is acting like a lot of other companies that hold licenses for ARM. NVidia, TI, and Freescale all build custom chips based around an ARM core. Apple is acting no different. Apple apparently thinks it can do a better job and get a much better product.
Stealth mode? It was clear Apple was going to start designing their own chips over a year ago when they started talks to buy PA Semi! I hardly see what is “stealth” about a high-profile buyout of a high-profile chip designer.
I don’t even like Apple! How is it I know more about their business than a paid Apple-loving tech blogger?
It’s getting really tough, come on. Even if you don’t love Apple, Apple loves you for sure. And M..FT will only say that you’re cheap!
People talk about the iPhone but if you take a look at the new iPod Shuffle, it’s basically a chip on a clip with a cable sticking out of it. How long until you have a voice-activated phone the size of an iPod Shuffle? The hardware then will be a chip in a case, too. The only downside will be a bunch of people in the streets “talking to themselves”.
Voice ActivatedTechnology only looks cool on paper, in practice it is far easier and faster to use buttons than to useyoru voice to control a device.
Voice-controlled computers have exsisted since 1995, I remember seeing them on display, yet we still use keyboards and mice.
You can use your thumb a lot faster than you can speak out “1 572 582 9722″. And no thats not my number, Iim nto that stupid, I just typed random numbers.
Many cellphones DO support voice-calling, and people still don’t care and use their fingers to dial anyway.
On top of that, there are those, like me, who use smartphones as if they were a micro-laptop. You can’t really shrink those as you NEED to make them large enough for the screen to legable and for finger button input.
Apple was part of an alliance with Motorolla and IBM. Apple never built the chip but Motorolla and IBM did the manufacturing. However, Motorolla failed to produce a big of enough yield of chips at the time. Then they switch to IBM as the supplier which failed to meet the 3.0 GHz mark with the G5. Furthermore, the G5 was a much bigger chip that wouldn’t make its way into the laptop line and required an elaborate cooling system.
Now, Apple is using Intel because they can provide CPUs to Apple at a very high yield to their desktop and laptop line without all of the G5 constraints. Now, we’re starting to see better graphic card offerings for these machines because of the switch to Intel.
Next, Apple is all about using standards and supporting open source to build their applications. Furthermore, Apple has always been involved in the design of their motherboards or logic boards. Alan Kay said, “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.”. I believe this sums up Apple’s motivation going forward for the company. Good for Apple for wanting to design/implement their own mobile chipset.
Mac OS X wasn’t built to run on non-Apple hardware and never will be because this is the job for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems. Furthermore, Apple has the right to decide what hardware their OS will run on because it’s simply Capitalism 101.
“Next, Apple is all about using standards and supporting open source to build their applications.”
Woah woah woah, wait… WHAT?
Apple is ALL ABOUT STANDARDS AND OPEN SOURCE?
What about apple at ALL is standards compliant? Other than the Mac Pro their desktops and even most laptops break all the rules about standards! I have to practically perform surgery on my Mac Mini to upgrade it’s RAM and HDD, and it refuses all boot-time keyboard commands to boot from a cd instead of HDD because I am not using a $50 keyboard with an Apple logo on it, even though it is a STANDARD USB keyboard!
“Alan Kay said, “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.””
Sorry but that is like saying “People who are serious about grilling steak should start their own cattle farm”. There is a reason people specialize instead of trying to become a jack of all trades… and master of none.
“I believe this sums up Apple’s motivation going forward for the company.”
Is that why beyond the motherboard, the CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD, Sound Hardware, and EVERYTHING else in a Mac is standard PC hardware?
“Mac OS X wasn’t built to run on non-Apple hardware and never will be because this is the job for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems.”
…. read what I just said, a Mac IS a PC. Its the same on the inside. The ONLY difference is a little chip on the motherboard that sits there and tells it “Yo, im a Mac” so the OS doesn’t reject it.
“Furthermore, Apple has the right to decide what hardware their OS will run on because it’s simply Capitalism 101.”
Tell me, if MS started making their own line of computers and only let Windows run on those, do you not believe there will be a shitstorm? Lawsuits everywhere?
Then how come its ok for Apple to get away with it, and even get PRAISED for it, but not MS? And actually, by law in US and UK and most countries, they do NOT have the right, they can only recommend it, not force you.
@Cyber Akuma –
“What about apple at ALL is standards compliant? Other than the Mac Pro their desktops and even most laptops break all the rules about standards! I have to practically perform surgery on my Mac Mini to upgrade it’s RAM and HDD, and it refuses all boot-time keyboard commands to boot from a cd instead of HDD because I am not using a $50 keyboard with an Apple logo on it, even though it is a STANDARD USB keyboard!”
However, let’s talk about hardware standards. What standards are they breaking? Please name one or two or three. What issues have been raised to Apple or the reseller? I have a Mac mini and I was able to easily upgrade the RAM and HDD. Also, I have PCs where I can upgrade the RAM and HDD under Windows OS 7 and Windows XP. Next, one doesn’t have to buy Apple’s keyboards and that’s the reason that they do not sell a mouse, a keyboard, or a monitor with the Mac mini. You have a choice.
“Sorry but that is like saying “People who are serious about grilling steak should start their own cattle farm”. There is a reason people specialize instead of trying to become a jack of all trades… and master of none.”
I’m talking hardware and software. Please don’t try to make analogies don’t you do not fully understand. I’m simply saying that Alan Kay’s quote sums up Apple’s business model for delivering current products and their forthcoming mobile chipsets.
“Is that why beyond the motherboard, the CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD, Sound Hardware, and EVERYTHING else in a Mac is standard PC hardware?”
Everybody packages this standard hardware with the system that they deliver plus some additives from their respective companies. However, every system isn’t created equal and the most important piece of any computer is the motherboard or logic board. The individual pieces that you mention are nothing without it. I have built several PC during my high school days and I remember that it took me the longest to decide on the motherboard. If your motherboard sucks, then the entire system goes downhill from there.
“…. read what I just said, a Mac IS a PC. Its the same on the inside. The ONLY difference is a little chip on the motherboard that sits there and tells it “Yo, im a Mac” so the OS doesn’t reject it.”
Yes, I agree with 100% that a Apple Mac* is a personal computer (PC). However, I don’t agree that the same CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD, and Sound Hardware which uses different motherboards used by two different manufactures equates to the same type of system that exhibit the same performance characteristics.
If this is the case, why can’t one simply install Mac OS 10.x without modification on non-Apple hardware? I should be able to take my Mac OS 10.5 (Leopard) or 10.6 (Snow Leopard) DVDs and install it on non-Apple authorized hardware in less than an hour. Now, I agree that I can install Windows XP and 7 without change on Apple’s hardware as well as install it within VMWare Fusion.
“Tell me, if MS started making their own line of computers and only let Windows run on those, do you not believe there will be a shitstorm? Lawsuits everywhere? Then how come its ok for Apple to get away with it, and even get PRAISED for it, but not MS? And actually, by law in US and UK and most countries, they do NOT have the right, they can only recommend it, not force you.”
Yes, there will be law suites for the companies that they have contracts and licenses with in regards to the current production operating systems: Windows XP, Vista, and so on. However, Apple and Microsoft do not have the same business model at this time but each company has the right to deliver products and services as they see fit. Furthermore, Apple has always followed the same business model from day one. Where are the law suites in regards to Mac OS 10.x being restricted to their authorized hardware? However, they have been law-suites in regards to iPhone being tied to a single carrier network. Guess what? Again, Capitalism 101 dictates that the creator of the product has the last say. You either like it or not.
Cyber Akuma, here are some questions for you: If you developed state of the art operating system and associated computer architecture, would you tolerate others telling you what you shall or shall not do with it? What would you do if another corporation stole your idea and sold it as their own? Capitalism 101 dictates patent the hell out of it and run your business the way you see fit.
“However, let’s talk about hardware standards. What standards are they breaking? Please name one or two or three.”
The case in any iMac or Mac Mini for one… or more like for a dozen rules being broken right there.
“I have a Mac mini and I was able to easily upgrade the RAM and HDD”
You need a pair of putty knives just to open it, and practically have the dissemble 70% of the thing to get to the ram, you consider that easy compared to a typical desktop? Whether or not such an act voids your warranty is a big grey area too.
“I’m talking hardware and software. Please don’t try to make analogies don’t you do not fully understand. I’m simply saying that Alan Kay’s quote sums up Apple’s business model for delivering current products and their forthcoming mobile chipsets.”
As I said, I was primarly talking about desktops, I agree that for an embedded device like a cellphone, custom choosing the software and hardware is a good idea.
“If your motherboard sucks, then the entire system goes downhill from there.”
And you are trying to insuiate that Apple’s motherboards are superior to any other type of motherboard?
Yes, low-end motherboards would suck, but that dosen’t mean there aren’t a large amount of high end PC motherboards either.
“If this is the case, why can’t one simply install Mac OS 10.x without modification on non-Apple hardware?”
Partly because of EFI, but also because MACOSX won’t let them, it refuses to install on a non-mac, whether its compatible or not.
Why else would these “vanilla kernel” hacked installs of MACOSX work on some systems? The vanilla kernels are unmodified beyond not checking if they are being installed on a mac.
“Again, Capitalism 101 dictates that the creator of the product has the last say. You either like it or not.”
IIRC, in the UK Apple is being sued over iTunes only syncing with an iPod.
“Cyber Akuma, here are some questions for you: If you developed state of the art operating system and associated computer architecture, would you tolerate others telling you what you shall or shall not do with it?”
Personally, I would not want to design an OS that can only be used on a very small set of hardware that is standard hardware others use, specifically hardware made by me, because that would essently almost be like a console than a PC. I would want to prove my OS is as advanced and state of the art as I claim it to be I would want it to be installable on a standard system, or completely make my own equally state of the art hardware to go with it.
“What would you do if another corporation stole your idea and sold it as their own?”
Depends how clear the stealing is and on patents.
If someone clearly stole a part of my OS without question, then I would pursue legal action. But you can’t claim for example somebody stole the idea of being able to use a 3D holigram interface, rather than the actual interface design itself.
@Cyber Akuma
“The case in any iMac or Mac Mini for one… or more like for a dozen rules being broken right there.”
Please name the dozen or more rules iMac or Mac mini have broken. Who makes these rules and/or standards that you speak of?
“And you are trying to insuiate that Apple’s motherboards are superior to any other type of motherboard?”
Please do not make assumptions or put words into my mouth. No where in the text of my previous post I said that Apple motherboards are better or worse. Furthermore, just because you buy high end mother board doesn’t necessary make it better than a low-end one. It really comes down to the overall design of it and it’s paring of other hardware.
“IIRC, in the UK Apple is being sued over iTunes only syncing with an iPod.”
People here in the US can sue for about anything these days. I can file a broad ranging technology patent with the US Patent and Trademark Office and simply wait for someone to violate it. Furthermore, I wouldn’t even have to have a physical prototype that supports it. If one read some of the patent description(s), they would simply be amazed. Why? They are very vague and so general in a lot of cases that they could apply to a lot of technologies.
“Please name the dozen or more rules iMac or Mac mini have broken. Who makes these rules and/or standards that you speak of?”
Just about everything relating to ATX, micro-ATX, etc standards?
“Please do not make assumptions or put words into my mouth. No where in the text of my previous post I said that Apple motherboards are better or worse.”
You claimed this: If your motherboard sucks, then the entire system goes downhill from there.
You also stated this: Furthermore, just because you buy high end mother board doesn’t necessary make it better than a low-end one. It really comes down to the overall design of it and it’s paring of other hardware.
Sounds like a claim that a Mac motherobard is superior ot others to me, you basically claim that even a high-end board can’t perform well.
As for hardare integration, that is a pretty lame argument. Yes, mixing all sorts of random hardware won’t yield the best results, but putitng high-end and low latency ram from a name brand into a highly rated board pretty much means those components WILL work incredibly well togther, it is not as if some magic unknown brand of ram will somwhow only work far better than anything else in one specific motherboard.
“People here in the US can sue for about anything these days.”
Notice I said in the UK?
“Just about everything relating to ATX, micro-ATX, etc standards?”
This is a very weak statement which claims that Apple violates any standard in terms of its hardware manufacturing. Both machines have relatively high standards when it comes to being energy safe as do other non-Apple hardware. Furthermore, all computer manufactures meet certain safety standards. Please point me to a document(s) that goes into detail about these standard violations.
“You claimed this: If your motherboard sucks, then the entire system goes downhill from there.”
Did I say that Apple motherboards were better or worse? This simply requires a yes or no question.
If you clearly read my post, I’m referring to the days when I was putting together personal computers using available parts. Please get your facts correct so as to not fragment the discussion. Again, I ask you where I mention Apple in the post in this regard?
“Sounds like a claim that a Mac motherobard is superior ot others to me, you basically claim that even a high-end board can’t perform well.”
Here’s what I said in the previous post:
“…just because you buy high end mother board doesn’t necessary make it better than a low-end one. It really comes down to the overall design of it and it’s paring of other hardware.”
Please try to read and understand instead of just reading and inferring what you want to infer from it. Again, where did I mention Apple when I’m speaking in the general term? If you don’t like Apple, you have the right to your own opinions. I have to use both and I’ll discuss either side (i.e. Apple or PC/Windows).
“Notice I said in the UK?”
It doesn’t really matter if it’s the US or the UK. You can file a law-suite anywhere but it doesn’t mean you have won the judgement. Furthermore, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t frivolous either. This is left up to the courts to decide and how well the lawyers present their case for their client.