HP wins again with the latest Laptop Hunters episode. Is it just me, or are they doing some really creative editing with the dialogue? It’s like NPR interview editing on steroids. As for her choice, I personally would go with a Mac at that price (not so much at $1000 or $1500), or at least go with a more interesting PC. It’s widescreen and it has a good processor and video card? Okay, that’s every laptop at that price.
As for video editing (her priority), a $2000 laptop is going to be much the same as a $1000 laptop in that case. Mobile processors aren’t particular gifted and if she really cares about the video card’s role in editing, she should be considering her sources and formats instead of just asking a blue shirt:
“Is this graphics card going to be powerful?”
“Mmhm.”
“Wow.”
The ins and outs of choosing a laptop are too complicated to be represented in a little minute-long tidbit like this, and I think that makes it stand up poorly to couch criticism. You know, when you’re sitting on the couch and you see this, and someone just says right afterwards, “Why didn’t she just add some RAM to the Mac?” or “How come she didn’t look at models with two hard drives, if she wants to do video?”
So they aren’t exactly showing why the PC is better. I mean, maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but the things they have in the commercial are far from key differences. Whatever. Are they going to do $2500 next month?
I agree these commercials are not focusing enough on why a pc is a better choice
mac book Hp pc
2.0 ghz dual core intel 2.1 ghz dual core intel
2 gigs of memory 4 gigs of memory
160 gig hardrive 5400rpm 250g hardrive 7200rpm
13″ screen 16″ screen
8x dvd rw 8x dvd rw
2 usb ports 4 usb ports
gigabit ethernet gigabit ethernet
802.11n wireless 802.11n wireless
bluetooth bluetooth
osx vista 64bit premium
1299.00 1243.00
only thing mac has over the pc is osx
but to sum it up when you buy a pc vs a similar priced mac.
you get a faster machine with more memory , faster hardrive, and a better graphics card.
these commercials fail at bringing this to the attention of the consumer.
Smart comment Troy, thanks for highlighting these data… all this bunch of non-argumentative Mac enthusiast comments really add nothing to my understanding, as usual
“only thing mac has over the pc is osx”
And that’s a personal preference, so you cannot statue that as a fact — for me, Windows > OSX
Decent comment Troy…but I think there’s something you’re missing.
There’s no real way to express build quality quantitatively. For example, how can you compare screen quality/brightness and the physical build quality of the two laptops?
Personally, I’d be willing to pay an extra hundred bucks or so to have the LED screen and the truly solid aluminum case.
I guess some people don’t care about these things, but to me it’s what makes those few extra bucks well worth it.
If you want to think of it like that then you should use a PC. That 16″ you speak of has 1/4 the battery life of the MacBook and almost the same resolution. The mac uses DDR3 memory. The HP notebooks are considered the worst in the industry. Even Paul Thurrott says he would never get one. The build quality is also the worst and that’s not even considering it’s ugly. The Mac is far better built, is half the size, and has far better customer support (best in the industry).
It also has the iLife suite that comes free with no competent windows alternative. The OS is also far better and when there is a problem you talk to the people who make the OS and not it’s distributor.
The reason I say you’re better off with a PC is that you look at the numbers. If you think the sum of anything in this world is by the numbers, then you miss a lot. A corvette is not a Ferrari because it can go as fast.
Hmmm… concerning your “…and has far better customer support (best in the industry).” I wonder… I am a happy owner of a Toshiba Qosmio and a Tecra (one for leisure time and the other for working missions) and I can tell that Toshiba has a great building quality and an excelent customer support whilst many friends of mine have experienced unpleasant shortcomings of Mac’s support on their Mac books (broken hard drive, or screen it made no difference, they were left on their own) …at least this happens here in Europe… maybe are there regional differences?!
I can’t speak to your friends’ situation with the little details you provided, but I can tell you to go and look at any report over the last ten years regarding service/support and you will not only see apple at the top of the list but ahead by 20 points. You can claim bad hard drives but every computer has those once in a while. Apple uses Hitatchi & Seagate hard drives which are considered the best in the industry. I can say that I’m on my third mac and never had a problem.
If there were a problem, I can just take it in to my local apple store. That may be one difference between US and Europe.
str1f3 I apreciate your feedback but I don’t understand whether you are saying you have never experienced a hardware fault with Mac or never had issues with the support… anyway, both of my friends simply got no useful feedback by Mac after their macbook died and where suggested to buy a new piece (just a couple years after they have brought theirs). Now, I have no idea how the screen got “blinded” in one of them, but the hard disk of my friend was a pity: she was treating her Mac like a son (maybe even a bit better, since she was never scolding it =P ) and then it just left her… I know things like these may happen (even if, just like you, I have never had any problem in over 10 years with Toshiba and even one Acer and one HP) but what is a support set up for if it just state that you should buy a new one?!
P.S.: How comes I can comment/reply on some posts and not others? (Yours are among those I am not being offered a “reply” option)
PC != Windows. PC = Personal Computer. A Mac computer is a PC.
I hate Apple for popularizing this the bastardization of this term.
As do I but have stopped caring about such seminatics anymore, there are more relavant things to discuss when going Mac vs PC.
“$1299 vs. $1243 — only thing mac has over the pc is osx”
You forgot a few extra expenses with the Windows laptop:
With the PC she has to buy anti-virus and anti-spyware. Let’s say she gets Norton Internet Security for $60 per year. That’s an extra $180 for 3 years.
Then later when she gets a virus she takes it to Geek Squad for a $79.99 tuneup and a $149.99 virus & spyware removal package. She doesn’t seem to know anything about computers so we’ll assume she gets a virus and has at least one virus removal repair for $150.
That brings the price of the HP laptop up to $1573, making the Mac $274 cheaper.
Josh, that’s just if you wnat to spend those money… there’s plenty free great antivirus softwares (clamwin, avira, avg, …) and Google toolbar (free) makes ie7 and ie8 much more resistant than safari (please, remember that hacking a Mac is very very easy, after all) or she can just browse with chrome or firefox (my choice)… that’s if you really need more protection, because after all Vista is by far less prone to any sort of malignous attack than any other windows edition up to now when it is up to date… and again, OS X is no longer pain free since a couple of years already… trojans, hijackers, keyloggers and viruses are out there for the Mac world too… if we have to discuss about security why don’t we admit that a beutiful high-end pc with a good Debian (or even OpenBSD) installation would do the trick better than anything else in the world? And there are plenty free softwares for whatever you may want to do (the repositories are actually huge!)… plus they are more and more eyecandy and with every release more user-friendly… that’s if you REALLY know what you are doing and why you may want that much security…
If you choose Mac OS X (and Mac) it is not for the abovementioned reasons but for the emotional experience which the interface let you live and for the attempt of the “architets” to give you a system which will do what you want and not what you tell it to… which is a great plus for people more concerned in their objectives than in becoming IT responsibles ^_^
(That said, I prefer knowing exactly what the system is doing and commanding it step-by-step, instead of having it with some initiatives =P )
Leo,
I doubt if she knows enough about computers to download AVG free, ZoneAlarm firewall, and a spyware protection tool. The laptop she bought probably came with a lot of craplets and either Norton or McAfee. I’m guessing most Windows users will end up with software like Norton.
I don’t use Windows or Mac, but I would recommend Mac over Windows. If you scroll down you can read my other comment about the specs on my new $2000 laptop (running Linux).
I’ll bet Mac OS X is much more secure and fast than Vista. I tried to find information on Mac malware and couldn’t find much more than a trojan that you can get from filesharing pirated software (no surprise).
To me the Mac is appears to be cheaper in the long run unless she has a computer expert friend who can load her computer with free software.
I could probably agree with you but my point is always “you better buy what you need than what are advertised about”… I mean, the success of netbooks (or whatever you want to call them -> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/12/using-the-word/ ) clearly assesses that users may well be sacrifying some attributes they do not actually feel the need of for the sake of savings…
And while Mac could be a great deal for people with plenty of money in their purses or for professionals with no time to lose in learning a system, I would always recommend a PC (maybe with a good linux on it) to any new users/student/housekeeper/etc …after a very short learning curve, they will be able to do anything, they will have plenty of free (legal!) softwares to pick and they will have saved quite some moneys… maybe they will not have the best perfomances or the most beautiful desktop …or even they will have had to learn that unmounting a USB drive means something more than just throwing an icon in the trash-can… but hey! Are all of you driving Porsche or Ferrari (or cycling on a titanium bicycle) in real life?! Why would buying a computer for your everyday life be so different in logic from buying your car or your bicycle?
Anyway… I love the things Mac are doing, and I have read plenty of their documents about GUIs (and recommended them to my collegues) with much interest… the world just has different niches ;)
…and just to be fair… I love a lot of things that Microsoft has done and is doing nowadays also… their R&D Dept is far from dead (I am sure you have seen their labs and Windows7 and plenty other stuffs leaked around in the web) …I wish we can all enjoy the best of all projects ;)
1. Most Windows systems come with an AntiVirus product preinstalled.
2. You can get some very good free ones, just googling something like “best free antivirus” should be enough to find them.
3. Nod32 is arguably the best paid antivirus, and $30 a year.
And that is your ONLY argument? Antivirus software?
@Cyber Akuma
1. I’ve never seen a Windows computer with pre-installed free anti-virus. It’s either Norton or McAfee and you have to pay once the trial period is up.
2. If she is tech savvy, she’ll know how to do that, but I think most non-tech-savvy people pay for anti-virus software.
3. If she has a friend who knows that little-known fact she can get Nod32 for $90 over 3 years. The Mac is still cheaper in that case. If she goes back to the computer store for advice, they’ll sell her something like Norton and refer her to GeekSquads expensive “tune-ups” and virus removal services.
It’s not my only argument, but the cost of security software is a major hidden cost of Windows for non-tech-savvy users :)
Nod32 is advertised in some stores now, and how is that cheaper than a mac?
I don’t like these commercials either, but for different reasons. I agree that PCs are cheaper than macs in the short run, as they cost less for the same specs. But a lot of windows laptops, don’t last very long… like they break down ALOT. I am on my second hp laptop, and this one I have sent in probably two times, as well as going through 5 power cords (those aren’t cheap either).
damn, as big as her leg!
What kind of idiot makes a decision on which laptop to buy based on how much RAM it has. That’s like making a purchasing decision on a car based on how many cup holders it has. You can put more in. Duh. Oh wait, Americans. Yeah.
Yes, all Americans are stupid and don’t know about adding RAM. Except the Americans who invented and revolutionized the computer industry.
All the American immigrants from Japan who do all the R&D at Intel?
Hmm, americans?
Yes it was them who build the first really useful computer to crack the enigma code.. oh it was an englishman.. a postman if i recall correctly.
Yes it was them who created the founding Turing principles of AI.. oh wait he was english…
It was them who created the worlds first calculator.. oh wait nvm that was an englishman calld charles babbage..
Maybe the abacus? No that was invented before america existed..
Linux? no torvalds is Finish
What did exactly did americans contribute again?
Hmm…
The internet.
How about Google? Microsoft? Apple?
It’s stupid to say that Americans didn’t contribute in the tech industry.
Though it definitely wasn’t just Americans as thebonafortuna implies. Not at all.
The Internet ? Ok but it was a Brit who made it useful. ;-) just kidding, all this anti-American nonsense is pathetic. And cup holders isn’t a great analogy to ram. Plus windows xp(the one everyone uses) can’t see 4 gig anyhow. Unlike os x
You’re funny. Linux? It is built on Unix. You know who built Unix? Americans.
You know who built the OS you’re more than likely running? Americans.
You know why the language of the Internet is English. Because of Americans.
Who makes the top two search engines which account for 85% of the market? Americans. The rest of that 15% are almost all made by Americans as well.
Do you know where almost every engineer and computer science major goes to college? American colleges.
Do you know what website you’re talking about this issue on? An American website.
If you have such a problem with Americans try and use solely products that aren’t made by Americans and see how far you get. That includes the ton of software that is on Linux. What an idiot!
Internet wasn’t created by U.S. Army and then made of public use under an intuition from people at Geneve’s CERN needing to do more with their data then just protecting them?
…Anyway… please, take this thread lighter… it’s becoming a bit uncomfortable with all this national competition =P
Ummm … Babbage’s machine was never finished & thus never actually worked. ;-)
Enough with national bashing. Enough with whizzing contests about OS’s. The original discussion was about a commercial that presented a particular viewpoint … they attacked Mac on price.
HP is probably being featured because of “promotional fees or other considerations” that they have forked over. I’ve got two Toshibas and a Gateway and they all work just fine. The Toshibas run Win XP + Linux and Vista all by itself. The older Gateway (re-badged Dell?) runs XP Home and Ubuntu 9.0.4 just fine on a P4 except that it will sometimes fail to turn the fans on when it is dormant.
I just came back to look at this thread – note the word “industry” after the word “computer”. It slightly changes the meaning of the sentence.
you’re right. I always go for the 512M option
RAM isn’t like cupholders, it’s like seats. Sure I could buy something faster but if it doesn’t have enough space then I won’t buy.
Contraty to popular belief on techy type of boards, people don’t want to mess around with their gadgets.
Wasn’t it Apple’s slogan for a while “It just works?” If you have to add more memory to make it useful, then it doesn’t just work.
foxmajik: too bad many people will be fooled by that because they are not geeks like us.
Grandma: “ohh i saw in the ad that apple has little rems and it’s bad!”
I’m I the only one who noticed her small tits?
Nah, I noticed those too!
She’ll regret picking the PC over the Mac after editing her first video.
Clueless.
Clueless like a fox Frank. Let’s see she can choose Adobe, Avid or Vegas to name just a few. I use Vegas, it rocks!…even edit HD video on a 5 year old HP laptop w/1 GB of Ram. She should be crankin’ on the laptop she bought. I run a video business on PC’s and Vegas and that combo is rock solid.
Mac OS is optimized for its hardware.
So it’s a little bit harder to compare a pc laptop to a MacBook (pro) than it seems (well, I do think so).
Anyway, I agree that for this range of price, it’s far better to pick a MacBook than a cumbersome HP ;)
I like HP (I know, everybody don’t care).
seriously
“Is this graphics card going to be powerful?”
“Mmhm.”
“Wow.”
Yeah I LOLed. Those guys will say anything to sell a computer.
And you will say anything for nothing
Just once.. they should have someone buy a mac. The story could be.. “Hi, I’m Steve.. I dick around on the web all day and use twitter.”
+1
One look at any of the “What should I buy?” threads on Macrumors seem to be carbon copies of one another.
“What’s the best computer for my needs: email, iTunes, web surfing, light photo editing (aka pirated photoshop), and watching movies.”
I’m pretty sure by now that the 80/20 rule is more like a 95/5 rule; 95% of Mac users don’t do anything they can’t do just as fine on a Windows machine.
I guess I’m in that 5% because I cannot develop Mac OS or iPhone OS software on a PC that has Unix capabilities out of the box.
It’s the same the other way around — why even bother with Windows and the plastic cased PCs they come on, when you can get a Mac, which has a nicer OS, better build quality and top notch support? (obviously that’s just my opinion, however the majority of people who have used both OSes on a daily basis would agree)
Basically, who the hell would choose a Ford if you could get a Ferrari for 25% more money? (a Ferrari is just a car with expertly chosen components, and tuned to the extreme. Just like a Mac is.)
Me and the guys are our IT firm would laugh at Mac users that would try to help each other on Internet forums. Computer won’t boot and they would have the person zap Pram, powercycle the machine, boot from CD and then they would start speculating that it’s due to poor voltage in their home’s power outlets and getting them to buy an APC Battery Backup.
Round and round until the person just had a bad motherboard. Those what to buy threads are useless and only serve to let Apple users talk about how much money they spend on a computer. I’m guilty of that as well.
Ashley, sorry but not all of us have 25% more money to spend on a better computer. We buy what we can afford and if $700 is all you have then you have to get a PC laptop because apple’s entry level is $900. If everyone followed the rule of thumb that “it’s only 25% more” then we’d all be driving around BMWs and Land Rovers.
Give me $2k i would definitely buy a mac, and wouldn’t care if it only had “2gb of RAM”
Definitely some ‘creative editing’ here. A positive experience at Fry’s Electronics? Yeah, only in the magic of television.
You are straight…Fry’s? FRY’S!!?
Avoid the people, just go straight to the stuff.
Frys is considered the absolute best computer/electronics retail store by just about every tech, geek, and nerd in the US.
You can’t be serious… right?
A great way to market towards people who don’t know much about computers. You guys sound mad because they made such a smart marketing idea. (acting like Apple have never done this before).
Apple does it all of the time and it makes me just as sick.
Excellent example. In a 2007 Get a Mac ad, Apple said that Microsoft Windows Vista doesn’t have a backup system but Macs come with Time Machine. in fact, Microsoft has built in backup that does incremental and complete copies of your files to a 2nd hard drive, external hard drive or remote share.
Additionally, “previous versions” also known as Windows Shadow Copies is included in Windows Vista Client which is a great way to see previous versions of files and folders instantly and it is a great alternative to time machine.
Apple lies constantly but for some reason, no one calls them out. It doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at this commercial.
They are called out, but not on these Apple-fanboi infested sites.
That is the truth, only reason half these guys here have boners for Apple is because that they are pissed they spent so much money on the product that they have to be fanboys.
True?
Nah, man, it’s not because I spent so much money… it’s that I have to save up so much money for the next one. THAT’S what gets to me.
Yeah thanks for that Adam. Windows Backup and Previous Versions are only in Vista Business or greater.
That really helps me on my personal laptop.
Her?
HA! Her! don’t worry, I got it! oh, poor george michael….
Is she funny or something?
Should have got a boob job instead.
I was thinking more about the wart on her face.
She’s a “filmmaker”? Just about any hardcore filmmaker or “wannabe filmmaker” uses apple or wants to eventually use apple. Not only for it’s rubust performance but also for the number of applications that plain just RUN better.
I actually find editing in Premiere to be a very pleasant experience. I haven’t spent enough time with FCP though. But don’t even talk to me about iMovie.
Could not disagree with you more. I used to use Adobe Premiere pro 1.5 and 2.0 on XP and it ALWAYS crashed. Files would become corrupt if the project became too big and the program would be sluggish and often crash because of some unexpected error. Now I use Media Composer on a unibody macbook pro I got for $1500 on ebay, plus a free ipod touch!
Microsoft needs to die already. Haven’t we all put up with Windows long enough? My next laptop will be a Mac. Bye crappy PCs.
Yeah, woo, contratulations, I am sure MS is shaking in their boots now that you said that.
Well in my case HP won too I went out shopping for a new laptop and found my HP Pavillion dv7-1245dx was the best bang for my buck (under 800) and let me tell you my test was if it can run Second Life with almost max settings turned on.
All Second Life’s windlight features and shaders then its a kick ass laptop. Sure enough it did.
So don’t knock this ad for 2000 bucks I am sure the HP she got could run circles around the one I got for just under 800 bucks that I don’t regret buying at all for the horse power it has.
you.. play… secondlife. You… are..a… PC.
The sad part is, that I also went for an hp at first. I regretted it quickly though as I was without a computer for a month after the mother board crashed they decided. (this was in the same week that they crashed my hard drive and replaced my wireless card.) But… I was poor(ish) then as a lowly sophomore…but now I don’t care how much it costs I am getting a fluffy Mac book pro…
This is the first spot I have problems with. Mainly because any real filmmaker who needs to cut video would operate on a desktop. That being said, the optimal solution would be to build your own box. The low end Mac Pro is priced horribly, and the high end Mac Pro can be beaten.
1st OFF, why would anyone that’s a “film maker” get a laptop to do editing? You could have went on Tiger or Newegg and bought whichever quadcore, all the RAm you’ll ever need and dual 22″+ monitors for less… No wonder people go broke… and produce crappy videos…
What strikes me as funny is that M$ has resorted to advertising laptops instead of Vista. Last time I checked they were a software company. Those commercials are really just M$ admitting that Vista was an EPIC FAIL and you’ll have to use it because it’s preinstalled. It wont work like it did in the XP days, there are too many alternatives now.
er.. no.
you’ll notice all top brands stop saying their own name. kleenex doesn’t say “buy kleenex!” they just show people using tissues. quaker oatmeal says “eat oatmeal,” not “eat quaker,” because it’s the only oatmeal american’s buy.
it’s marketing 101. when you control more market than all other competitors combined, you no longer have to push your brand, you have to expand the market.
oh. and i hate vista too. i’m not defending microsoft, just pointing out that their tactics are actually pretty standard here.
Selling an hp, dell, toshiba = $$$’s for M$. No one “buys” windows, they buy a computer that happens to come with windows. Besides, if people bought millenium, they sure as heck will swallow vista too.
Pretty funny, I bought a MacBook Pro for not so much more and then bought 4GB Memory for under $100 and a 500GB HD. You can even install it yourself just need to buy the right screw-driver from home depot or amazon.
The other funny thing is I thought I would miss windows or have programs not compatible. So I installed it both on it’s own bootcamp partition and purchased VMfusionware. At the end of the day I hardly ever use either.
If you have the funds, I’d make the leap O apple faith. Best part is not worrying as much for Virus and windows slowing down after a few months of installing so much crap.
Geese I would buy a new PC laptop every 12-18 months because I couldn’t be stuffed re-formatting and installing windows that would pretty much come to a halt after that period.
dont want to worry about getting viruses and slow down, and paying for upgrades?…. sounds like Ubuntu Linux is the solution to all your problems
which is free… a lot less money than a mac. do what i did, buy a asus x83 64bit vista with 4gb memory core2duo 2.26g 1gb nvidia 9600m gs 300gb harddrive for 800 bucks, then replace vista with Ubuntu 9.04.
Better yet, dual boot so you can play your pirated crysis
I just bought a laptop and spent $2000.
It’s a ThinkPad T-500 running Ubuntu. 4gb ram, 160gb 7200rpm drive, 1680×1050 resolution, 5 buttons on the touchpad (this is where Mac is lacking), and I believe the processor is Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T9400 (6M Cache, 2.53 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB).
The $2000 included shipping and 5-years of at-home, next-day support. The ThinkPad support is excellent.
Don’t Microsoft realize they aren’t doing any good with these ads, apart from wasting money. It’s like Windows Vista all over again.
And they miss out the fact that the Macbook uses the latest hardware (latest proc, DDR3 RAM), while the HP is still “last-year”.
How would you know? Might not work with you but there’s a TON of morons out there who take these ads for their word.
People who have used windows commonly stick with Windows because they dont want to go to far off the plantation.
OSX just seems very scary to a person who has never touched a computer without a windows logo on the bottom left and if it doesnt have one, they are lost.
It’s just how it is and MS is playing off those people.
Apple has a tougher job of convincing these types (and are doing a lousy job of it).
Their ads focus primarily on poor old PC and his terrible OS without doing much to highlight OSX’s cool features. Sure, the Mac guy will real off some features but SHOW how cool the features are like Apple shows how cool the iPhone is.
Thats what I dont get. The PC vs Mac ads are nifty, especially to the Apple fan but it’s doing nothing on actually selling to the lowest denominator they REALLY should target (along with shaving some off their prices)
Sort of like Porsche not advertising in the ghetto
The fact that they are generating so much grief, enough so when the first one aired Mac fanboys tried to tell convince the actor to give up her HP for a $1500 Mac they would give her, clearly they are having some effect.
*sighs*
This argument will never end. I personally have both a PC (gaming, windows software development) and a Mac (email, web surfing, Cocoa development). Both have their strengths and weaknesses and cater to different demographics.
- Not from India
…it’s an ad… not research… any actual resemblance to reality is purely coincidental… J
“Is this graphics card going to be powerful?”
“Mmhm.”
“Wow.”
* After that he called her mom:
Mom! I got a sell!
I wonder what would happen if one of these actors ended up wanting an Apple. Would a fight ensue?
This would happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJSuduTrPs
If they keep this up, the laptop hunter ads are going to become just as annoying as the mac vs. pc ads.
Here’s my nutshell.
Macs are more expensive, but they’re built well and look good. This is a selling point for some peeps.
PCs are cheaper, but they are pretty plain jane when it comes to design and asthetics. This isn’t an issue for PC buyers.
It really comes down to software and usability.
Do you want a movie making program bundled with your OS, or do you want a right mouse button?
Do you want to play hardcore games, or do you want to look trendy in a coffee shop?
Do you want to use all Apple products, which are expensive and limited in scope, but just seem to work most of the time…or do you want to accept the freedoms and pitfalls of piecing your hardware and peripherals together from a mixed bag of vendors?
To me, it’s still such a drastic difference in personal preference between Mac and PC that all of these commercials just annoy me.
I think you’re just an ignorant fag who is afraid of conflict, so you suck both dicks.
I hope she uses Windows Movie Maker for her video editing. Will teach her a lesson.
Anyone else notice the horrid grammar Mac fans on here seem to have? Pretty funny for elitist snobs.
Also, keep in mind that these commercials are not for geeks. It is for the general public. The point is not to be factual. It is to make Microsoft seem like the choice for the “regular’ person. It is to make Mac the choice of the elitist snob. True or not, they spin the facts to that goal very well.
This is why the PC will always be more popular than the Mac.
@”Mark Carras”
Surely you jest. You’re calling out someone for grammatical mistakes? Explain this sentence:
“Pretty funny for elitist snobs.”
Unfortunately, that’s a fragment and lacks a subject/verb pair.
I have a suggestion for you. If your plan is to troll people for how they write, you should first purchase The Chicago Manual of Style, or perhaps Grammar For Dummies. Inadvertently you have shown yourself to be a total bag of douche.
Ohhhhhh SNAP!
He got to you dude.
Because comments are subject to grammatical regulations real writers started ignoring centuries ago.
Why no love for AMD possessor? This needs to be researching by techcruch team!
http://www.learn-english-online.org/
- Not from India
You’d think two video cards and Final Cut Pro would win her over.
Because a MBP comes with FCP?
The option of FCP should be an important factor for a filmmaker. I mean it is just a commercial..but still fun to nitpick.
A $2000 HP?
If I had $2000 to spend on a laptop I would get a Toshiba Qosmio, the $1500 model.
The commercials hit on things the average consumer will recognize (hmm, note to self, ask geek at best buy which one has the most rem, er… ram, whatever) and consequently use to make their decision with. Similar to how we all make decisions regarding things we aren’t experts on, like mobile phone plans, or dishwashers, home theater, etc…) In fact, that may be part of the plan here, some basic education (favorable to non apple products to be sure) to help make “informed” decisions with. Personally I’d get the mac and spend $50 on more ram. Side note, a film maker ought to have some familiarity with apple products (or is she really just making you tube videos, in that case, wow, I’m a film maker too!)
4 y/o Mac power book. Just maxed out the ram for $125 (2 gigs). Apple sent me a new battery last month because there was an old recall a year or so ago that I ignored.
I use this computer constantly…never had a problem. My girlfriends 9 month old Sony is dying and noticeably lamer when it comes to general use performance. Buy yourself a PC this year and save some dough. Then you can curse me under your breath when it dies in a year.
I know this is just my personal experience but I will never go back to a PC.
“I’m a PC, and an artist.” (But what I really wanted was a Mac)
I wonder how much she will spend on video editing software.
ZZZzzzzzz…. Final Cut.
is hp laptops gooder than apple Iphones? is hp make fart app for the laptops? i thinking buy hp laptops if its have fart app. if it not has, then i will use my Iphone with fart app. tasty.
useless to fight against MAC people it is a religion,
with a good chief who started with nothing in friends room sleeping in the college on the floor,
with stupid trendy followers, as always in “religios environment who try to secure their choice “god” without concerning other “gods” are the same.
“Is this graphics card going to be powerful?”
“Mmhm.”
“Wow but can it run Crysis?”
“mmmNo”
“GTFO”
Well, lets consider this. Her HP laptop will come with a lack of any video-editing software of any kind, other than moviemaker. We all know how much of a joke that program is. If she wants to do some photo-editing, then paint is all she will be able to turn to.
The best thing for her to do is to buy $400 software from adobe, which will automatically make her PC more expensive than a mac, which already comes with imovie, iphoto, garageband, and other movie/art production programs.
Also, they don’t mention that:
-The laptop comes with dd2 memory. The macbook comes with dd3
- The screen res is much smaller on that laptop
- The pc doesn’t come with two graphics cards
- The pc only has about 3 hours of battery life. Perfect for movie-editing on the go, especially since movie-editing is a time consuming task. At least the MBP could last her about 5 hours.
- The pc comes with home premium, not ultimate, since the leopard equivelent in windows is ultimate.
- The pc only runs windows, not mac. Loss of compatability already.
- No warranty for the PC. No support is the way to go these days I guess.
As far as movie-editing goes, I hear that most use final cut express or pro anyways. Why go with a crappy windows alternative that has a much higher chance of producing corrupt, unmanagable, and crappy files? Sure you could go with vegas or avid, but not a lot of people use those programs for serious movie editing nowadays. As far as I am concerned, I have only seen people using vegas for AMVs.
Anyway, in her case, she was screwed 10 fold by microsoft. Seriously, if she wants to do decent video-editing as a cheaper price, she shoulda got a mac. If she only wanted to do things like check email and watch youtube, she shoulda gotten a pc (which she did, for the wrong reasons). I guess that was her choice. If she wants to waste her time configuring software that doesnt work, windows is the way to go.
Calm down, she can buy Vegas Platinum for 50 bucks or less at Frys or Target and edit in HD…or she can get Vegas Pro for half the price of Final Cut and burn DVDs in BLUUUUUUE RAAAAAAAAAY!
Here’s something your modern mother should have told you a lonnng time ago son. You’re a FUCKING IDIOT!
Pro film makers don’t need to dick around with dime store desktops. They just spend the cash they already have and buy what works out of the box. What a concept! ;)
Oh and by the way, fuck your face!
I cannot believe the comments I am reading on this post.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
The basic premise of the commercial is that she is a film maker. That’s the core question, and almost none of the comments above have touched on this.
POINT #1. VIRTUALLY EVERYONE WHO IS A FILM MAKER USES FINAL CUT PRO OR AVID. AND SHE CAN’T AFFORD AVID.
Having worked in the film industry for almost 10 years (yes, I am FILM maker, having actually worked with 35MM) I can assure you of this one basic fact. You either cut on Avid or you cut on Final Cut Pro. And FCP is crushing Avid except in the old school post houses and TV studios. Period, end of discussion.
Yes, there are plenty of seats with Avid, and it still has some features that FCP doesn’t, and it is a great product, but come on people, seriously. FCP is killing it. And Avid is going to have pretty anemic performance on the laptop she bought.
And for anyone who wants to pipe in about Premiere or other software, get real. If you want to work, you need to learn FCP.
POINT #2. IF YOU EDIT YOU NEED A BIG SCREEN
Editing video on anything less then 20″ sucks. I know, I’ve had to do it on my 13″ MacBook that is older and doesn’t support the bigger screens.
If she did want to use a laptop and can’t spend more than $2K, she should buy a 13″ macbook, add 2GB of RAM, then buy a 20″ monitor. Yes, for under $2K. Yes, it supports higher resolutions. And yes, then you can see what you are working.
If she’s on a budget and had a brain she’d buy the 24″ iMac with 2.97 gHz processor, 4GB of RAM, 640 GB HD for $1,800.
MS marketing, doing more spin.
“I’m a film maker”. What a joke. She’s got a DV Cam and she’s hoping her YouTube video will go viral.
So where does that leave us?
If you really want to work, you need Final Cut. That means you need a Mac. Sorry chic, you just blew $2K on a door stop.
very revealing comment. thanks. good to hear from someone who actually does what the commercial makers were pretending to represent.
the film industry is unique in the number of people interested in it versus the number of people who actually make a living off of it.
These new commercials are stupid! All that they are saying is that PC’s are cheaper. If following poor people through best buy while they try to find the cheapest computer in the store is now a new advertising technique, I must have missed something… Well, congrats Sheila. You found a Windows computer that is cheaper than a Mac. Macs are more expensive than your average PC for a reason. You are getting a far superior OS (leopard) and a bundle of software that works smoothly on the mac. Why? because the software and the hardware are made by the same company. And furthermore if she were a filmmaker, she would be buying a desktop, not a laptop. In short, not only is apple better at making computers, they are also better at advertising.
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Ok people… Let’s dumb it down a little, shall we?
Buy a PC if you’re a whiny, cheap (pirating), controlling bastard that gets off on working on their computers half of the time and playing games instead of actually getting work done.
Buy a Mac if you’re serious about being a working professional in the graphics or film industry.
“The proof is in the pudding”.
Mac users rarely bitch or brag because they’re usually too busy kicking ass and going to the bank. ;)
Bill Gates ate a dick long ago when he first decided to create a knock-off of the single greatest OS ever created. Till this day, he’s still burping cum bubbles.
The fact that a Mac fanboy like you is posting about this in a long dead article speaks volumes about how insecure you are.
The fact that a dick sucker like you wasted his time to try and insult me, is hillarious!
Why don’t you go back to fiddling with that Taiwanese knock-off piece of shit in your underwear, bitch boy?
Learn who your aristocratic masters are and know your place.
That last post from you proved my side of the argument more than anything else I could have posted.
I thank you.
No, thank you for sucking me off on a public forum and many thanks to your mom for taking it up the pooper like a trooper! =) LOLZ
Wow, I’ve learned so much from all of this stimulating, relevant debate. Thanks, guys!
Just a few of the things I’ve learned from these comments:
1. The only reason to buy a Mac is OSX
2. The only reason to buy a Mac is the build quality
3. OSX sucks compared to Windows
4. Windows sucks compared to Linux
5. Windows sucks compared to OSX
6. Real video editors use Final Cut Pro and AVID… unless they use Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere instead.
7. Fry’s Electronics is either universally agreed upon as the best electronics store in the world, or the worst, but it is most decidedly not anywhere in between.
8. Everybody who uses a Mac loves it to death… except for those who don’t.
9. Everybody who uses a PC loves it to death… except for those who don’t.
10. Apple’s support is better than Toshiba’s support which is better than Apple’s support which is better than Toshiba’s support.
11. Taking one side or the other, hyperbolically, makes you a terrible, blind fanboy incapable of seeing things objectively… but being objective means you’re “an ignorant fag who is afraid of conflict”.
12. Ram is like cupholders… which means you can buy it for 25 cents at a drugstore and hang it off the edge of your dashboard
13. Ram is like car seats, semi-permanently bolted into a vehicle and unable to be added to due to the limited capacity of the vehicle
14. Ram sticks are meant to be sat on or have drinks placed atop of them
15. The salesman is gay
16. You’re gay
17. I’m gay
18. Several people here “suck dicks”… which is apparently a bad thing, given the context with which this is said
19. The point of the ad is to sway people from Apple
20. The point of the ad is to sell Vista
21. The point of the ad is to tell the average consumer that Windows-based PCs are cheaper
22. The point of the ad is to tell professional filmmakers that Windows-based PCs are more powerful
23. Mac fans use horrible grammar
24. PC fans use horrible grammar
25. Most users of the internet at large UES HORRIBAL GRAMMER
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Oh, and 26. Her tits are small.
LOL This is the best post yet!
BTW, Small tits or not, I’d still bang her and show her the ways of a Mac.
I think you guys are forgetting that the people in these commercials were GIVEN money. They didn’t spend anything. If some random Microsoft guy came up to me offering cash, I’d buy a PC. I hate the one I currently use, but I’d still buy a PC and have a HUGE smile on my face. Why? Because it was free.
Honestly I wish the Apple vs. Microsoft battle would end until Microsoft would actually build a consumer computer of their own. We could all go into the debate on which has better specs and which is truly faster but it wouldn’t serve a purpose. I personally prefer Macs. If I ever come across some money I’ll get one.
In my honest opinion, comparing Macs and Windows computers is pointless. Macs are always built to work directly with the OS and are meant to be strong and aesthetically pleasing. Their are plenty of Windows computers that are built the exact same way (but they cost about as much as a Mac.) It’s true that Apple doesn’t offer much choice when it comes to price ranges. But if they released rights to HP and Toshiba for third party Macs, we would see cheaper options available. But Apple won’t do that because they care too much about their good name to put their OS in the hands of a third party.
Also, I don’t understand why Microsoft is attacking Apple. Also every Mac owner I know has Boot Camp or Parallels installed to run Windows for work. Macs sell Windows to. (Albeit not as much as computers built for Windows. (Notice I’m avoiding the term “PC” because Macs are PCs as well.))
I think my rant is over. Like Anonymous above me I’ll probably be called and ignorant fag who is afraid to conflict. (And I bet one person does says I am light-heartedly out of spite with a stupid text smiley face.)
*sigh*
Re-reading, I used the incorrect form of “there” in my third paragraph. My fourth grade English teacher would be shocked. And I meant “almost” instead of the second “also” in my fourth paragraph. Jeez my grammar sucks tonight. And I meant “Macs sell Windows too.”
Quite the heated debate, I personally think the comercials are hitting the mark pretty well. What you may think of her choice of computers doesn’t really matter and don’t forget these comercials are geared towards people who have less knowledge of computers then most everyone commenting on this post.