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		<title>By: JASON</title>
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		<dc:creator>JASON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get so sick of this.... compay&#039;s dont pay taxes, no matter what the rate... individuals are the only Ones who pay taxes... again individuals are the only entity that pay taxes. 

how high can it go; most Americans pay over 50 cents on the dollar. 23% payroll taxes 22% imbedded taxes, around 10% state sales tax, tax on telephone, gas and utilitys. TAX TAX TAX... when will people wake up individuals are the only one who pay taxes... end of story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get so sick of this&#8230;. compay&#8217;s dont pay taxes, no matter what the rate&#8230; individuals are the only Ones who pay taxes&#8230; again individuals are the only entity that pay taxes. </p>
<p>how high can it go; most Americans pay over 50 cents on the dollar. 23% payroll taxes 22% imbedded taxes, around 10% state sales tax, tax on telephone, gas and utilitys. TAX TAX TAX&#8230; when will people wake up individuals are the only one who pay taxes&#8230; end of story</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make the gov&#039;t mad?! Yeah I guess there is that -- and I guess there is also the risk of making me ...and millions of other computer users that only need a little push to finally go learn Linux. FU Microsoft - and FU every other corp that thinks boycotting isn&#039;t outside the scope of motivation of Americans. Get out of the car and help push for f&#039;ing sake. If you can&#039;t stand by us in hard times - then who the f gives a s#$t about you?!

And to my brainwashed compatriots - Obama is providing an OPTION to a healthcare system whose cost has been driven up outrageously by complete corporate control. Healthcare should be affordable to EVERY citizen of the United States - period. The corps have not been able to achieve this. Time for a new strategy.

&quot;Socialist&quot; measures are the only thing that has kept &quot;capitalism&quot; around this long (See New Deal) We would have imploded long ago without them. You jerkfaces would have supported Hoover, I know it.

 How is it that during the same year many businesses are struggling, oil refiners and weapon manufacturers record record profits, the most obvious being Exxon/Mobil which posted the greatest profit for any corporation EVER last year. Those oil-filled d-bags need to pay for the smog I breathe generated by their plants and the burning of their products - not to mention their fair share of taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make the gov&#8217;t mad?! Yeah I guess there is that &#8212; and I guess there is also the risk of making me &#8230;and millions of other computer users that only need a little push to finally go learn Linux. FU Microsoft &#8211; and FU every other corp that thinks boycotting isn&#8217;t outside the scope of motivation of Americans. Get out of the car and help push for f&#8217;ing sake. If you can&#8217;t stand by us in hard times &#8211; then who the f gives a s#$t about you?!</p>
<p>And to my brainwashed compatriots &#8211; Obama is providing an OPTION to a healthcare system whose cost has been driven up outrageously by complete corporate control. Healthcare should be affordable to EVERY citizen of the United States &#8211; period. The corps have not been able to achieve this. Time for a new strategy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Socialist&#8221; measures are the only thing that has kept &#8220;capitalism&#8221; around this long (See New Deal) We would have imploded long ago without them. You jerkfaces would have supported Hoover, I know it.</p>
<p> How is it that during the same year many businesses are struggling, oil refiners and weapon manufacturers record record profits, the most obvious being Exxon/Mobil which posted the greatest profit for any corporation EVER last year. Those oil-filled d-bags need to pay for the smog I breathe generated by their plants and the burning of their products &#8211; not to mention their fair share of taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops meant failing COMPANIES, not countries, mt on my part</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops meant failing COMPANIES, not countries, mt on my part</p>
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		<title>By: wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the government needs to stay out of everything. period. and dont give me the &quot;need to take economic classes&quot; BS. the government does not invest money back into the economy as you state, they print money out of thin air thus causing massive inflation. if we had a sound money system and eliminated the federal reserve we wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. the US government bails out failing countries, then in turn they tax companies that do produce work here, so they are forced to leave to stay competitive. our economic system is corrupt and its because of fake government agencies like the federal reserve and shady politicians that we are in this mess, that we will not recover from.
and your statement &quot;Give me a “true” free market and I will show you a world with revolts against the corrupt, rich classes running the society.&quot; the rich class rules our society now, rich get richer, the poor get poorer. keep the system we have now, and we will see a revolt against the rich class ruling the society.
and btw the founders also warned against a centralized banking system because of the corruption it causes. so ill take a &quot;true&quot; free market anyday over this fraud system we got today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the government needs to stay out of everything. period. and dont give me the &#8220;need to take economic classes&#8221; BS. the government does not invest money back into the economy as you state, they print money out of thin air thus causing massive inflation. if we had a sound money system and eliminated the federal reserve we wouldnt be in this mess in the first place. the US government bails out failing countries, then in turn they tax companies that do produce work here, so they are forced to leave to stay competitive. our economic system is corrupt and its because of fake government agencies like the federal reserve and shady politicians that we are in this mess, that we will not recover from.<br />
and your statement &#8220;Give me a “true” free market and I will show you a world with revolts against the corrupt, rich classes running the society.&#8221; the rich class rules our society now, rich get richer, the poor get poorer. keep the system we have now, and we will see a revolt against the rich class ruling the society.<br />
and btw the founders also warned against a centralized banking system because of the corruption it causes. so ill take a &#8220;true&#8221; free market anyday over this fraud system we got today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s hilarious is that both Google and Microsoft personnel  supported Obama and gave thousands to his campaign.  I wonder how they are feeling now about him?  If I were Gates, I&#039;d get my company as far from Obama as I could.  After all, Obama may decide he wants to control Microsoft next.
www.OpenSecrets.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s hilarious is that both Google and Microsoft personnel  supported Obama and gave thousands to his campaign.  I wonder how they are feeling now about him?  If I were Gates, I&#8217;d get my company as far from Obama as I could.  After all, Obama may decide he wants to control Microsoft next.<br />
<a href="http://www.OpenSecrets.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.OpenSecrets.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: nextinline</title>
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		<dc:creator>nextinline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I wonna see MS the great innovator going abroad. Their business model is using all political clout and connections to avoid anti-trust trouble and suffocate the competition. Can you call new proprietary formats technological advancement? If they really take most of their jobs overseas would the government and all its agencies still pretend that Windows is the only OS and MSoffice the only office suite out there? Remember what happened a couple of years ago when the Commonwealth of Massachussetts denied using MSOffice because of its proprietary formats (xls, xlsx, doc, docx ...): Ballmer had to pull all the strings he could to finally make them reconsider.
Go ahead, make the IRS and the federal government mad and risk losing your best market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I wonna see MS the great innovator going abroad. Their business model is using all political clout and connections to avoid anti-trust trouble and suffocate the competition. Can you call new proprietary formats technological advancement? If they really take most of their jobs overseas would the government and all its agencies still pretend that Windows is the only OS and MSoffice the only office suite out there? Remember what happened a couple of years ago when the Commonwealth of Massachussetts denied using MSOffice because of its proprietary formats (xls, xlsx, doc, docx &#8230;): Ballmer had to pull all the strings he could to finally make them reconsider.<br />
Go ahead, make the IRS and the federal government mad and risk losing your best market.</p>
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		<title>By: Will.Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will.Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google already moved their AdSense division to Ireland in order to avoid U.S. taxes.  

Google just did it quietly, whereas Microsoft is talking about it publicly.  

Every other business in America must think about how to offshore as much as possible in order to protect it from the rapaciousness of the Obama administration. 

Those businesses who fail to protect themselves will be unable to compete with foreign-owned firms and will simply disappear from the marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google already moved their AdSense division to Ireland in order to avoid U.S. taxes.  </p>
<p>Google just did it quietly, whereas Microsoft is talking about it publicly.  </p>
<p>Every other business in America must think about how to offshore as much as possible in order to protect it from the rapaciousness of the Obama administration. </p>
<p>Those businesses who fail to protect themselves will be unable to compete with foreign-owned firms and will simply disappear from the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Triage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama continues on his current path, he will conclusively prove that he is the worst president in the history of this country.  He has quadrupled the national debt since his time in office.  He used fear to get the &quot;stimulus&#039; bill passed, claiming that if it didn&#039;t, the economic crisis would get much worse.  And what has happened since it passed?  It&#039;s gotten even worse!  Unemployment continues to soar, our currency is become less and less valuable, our debt is at a level that will be impossible for even our grandchildren to pay off, and we are becoming more and more beholden to countries like China!  Nice job Barry!  

And if those things weren&#039;t enough, he is taking major steps toward nationalizing many businesses.  He has nationalized banks, car companies, and soon our health care.  He and his cronies in congress want to pass legislation that will determine how much you and I can be paid for our jobs.  And trust me, this is just the beginning. He is marching us toward his vision of socialism, and he will use fear, guilt, and oppresive taxation to get us there.  

By the time he is finished, he will make George W. Bush look like the greatest president ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama continues on his current path, he will conclusively prove that he is the worst president in the history of this country.  He has quadrupled the national debt since his time in office.  He used fear to get the &#8220;stimulus&#8217; bill passed, claiming that if it didn&#8217;t, the economic crisis would get much worse.  And what has happened since it passed?  It&#8217;s gotten even worse!  Unemployment continues to soar, our currency is become less and less valuable, our debt is at a level that will be impossible for even our grandchildren to pay off, and we are becoming more and more beholden to countries like China!  Nice job Barry!  </p>
<p>And if those things weren&#8217;t enough, he is taking major steps toward nationalizing many businesses.  He has nationalized banks, car companies, and soon our health care.  He and his cronies in congress want to pass legislation that will determine how much you and I can be paid for our jobs.  And trust me, this is just the beginning. He is marching us toward his vision of socialism, and he will use fear, guilt, and oppresive taxation to get us there.  </p>
<p>By the time he is finished, he will make George W. Bush look like the greatest president ever.</p>
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		<title>By: John Debba</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Debba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMT: Perhaps you should should allow kfr the clarification rebuttal; rather than structure words to fit your argument.  Nonetheless unless you been leaving on Mars, anyone with half a mind knows the anti-Obama people associate his administration with socialism; notwithstanding the baffle &quot;completed socialist state&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMT: Perhaps you should should allow kfr the clarification rebuttal; rather than structure words to fit your argument.  Nonetheless unless you been leaving on Mars, anyone with half a mind knows the anti-Obama people associate his administration with socialism; notwithstanding the baffle &#8220;completed socialist state&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how people call it patriotism to pay MORE taxes.  No one has ever mentioned how much they pay now, it is about 5.8 billion over the last 12 months.  And this doesn&#039;t include the Unemployement taxes, Disability taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare taxes etc.
I don&#039;t think Microsoft has ever complained about paying taxes they just don&#039;t want to pay MORE taxes.  
And the &quot;Loop Holes&quot; are political language.  It was no fancy trick that somebody found in the tax law. The law was written to try to allow multi-national companies to grow and compete against others.  It was written this way on purpose.
When Daimler bought Chrysler it had the option to incorporate here in the US or in Germany, it choose Germany because they were friendlier to multinational companies.    This cost Billions in taxes but our politicians have learned nothing from this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how people call it patriotism to pay MORE taxes.  No one has ever mentioned how much they pay now, it is about 5.8 billion over the last 12 months.  And this doesn&#8217;t include the Unemployement taxes, Disability taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare taxes etc.<br />
I don&#8217;t think Microsoft has ever complained about paying taxes they just don&#8217;t want to pay MORE taxes.<br />
And the &#8220;Loop Holes&#8221; are political language.  It was no fancy trick that somebody found in the tax law. The law was written to try to allow multi-national companies to grow and compete against others.  It was written this way on purpose.<br />
When Daimler bought Chrysler it had the option to incorporate here in the US or in Germany, it choose Germany because they were friendlier to multinational companies.    This cost Billions in taxes but our politicians have learned nothing from this!</p>
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		<title>By: John Debba</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Debba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Phillips, former Republican adviser and strategist for Richard Nixon is certainly no socialist; here are couple quotes. 

&quot;freer markets have been leading us to plutocracy: The rule of the rich&quot; 

&quot;What you get is money gaining a momentum that produces a kind of corruption. Part of it&#039;s financial corruption, which we&#039;re starting to see unfolding; part of it&#039;s political corruption, which is that money moves in and corrupts the political system; and part of it, actually, is ideological- - that money rules, that those who have money are entitled. And this actually corrodes American democracy. And those who don&#039;t make it get discouraged, and they think it&#039;s unfair, and they&#039;re right&quot; 

Just for added measure, a quote from the leftist CIA fact book 

&quot;Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households&quot;

I suppose to Plutocrats (Republicans) economic  fairness is socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Phillips, former Republican adviser and strategist for Richard Nixon is certainly no socialist; here are couple quotes. </p>
<p>&#8220;freer markets have been leading us to plutocracy: The rule of the rich&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;What you get is money gaining a momentum that produces a kind of corruption. Part of it&#8217;s financial corruption, which we&#8217;re starting to see unfolding; part of it&#8217;s political corruption, which is that money moves in and corrupts the political system; and part of it, actually, is ideological- &#8211; that money rules, that those who have money are entitled. And this actually corrodes American democracy. And those who don&#8217;t make it get discouraged, and they think it&#8217;s unfair, and they&#8217;re right&#8221; </p>
<p>Just for added measure, a quote from the leftist CIA fact book </p>
<p>&#8220;Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose to Plutocrats (Republicans) economic  fairness is socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, American companies already pay some of the highest tax rates in the industrialized nations. 2nd, Obama said he would lower the taxes on the poor, but 1) the poor don&#039;t pay income taxes, 2) his energy, medical and farming programs, a federal sales tax will pull more money out of the pockets of the poor and middle class--the two classes that can not afford more taxes.

Many companies will be going to Ireland...I&#039;m Irish--maybe I&#039;ll move too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, American companies already pay some of the highest tax rates in the industrialized nations. 2nd, Obama said he would lower the taxes on the poor, but 1) the poor don&#8217;t pay income taxes, 2) his energy, medical and farming programs, a federal sales tax will pull more money out of the pockets of the poor and middle class&#8211;the two classes that can not afford more taxes.</p>
<p>Many companies will be going to Ireland&#8230;I&#8217;m Irish&#8211;maybe I&#8217;ll move too.</p>
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		<title>By: i_hate_socialism</title>
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		<dc:creator>i_hate_socialism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its funny how americans always come up with &quot;socialism&quot; every time big corporations or overly rich people have to pay taxes. Its not that I like socialism I hate it in fact. I wouldnt imagine living in cuba where they dont have shit and there is a dictator. but really there has to be some balance. you cant just have the most extreme inhumane capitalism extremely rich people while having poor people on the streets, no health care for most working americans.

Its all propaganda from the 50&#039;s. America is never going to be socialist. ( I hope so ) Do not let some take away your rights and funds that are for you saying this is &quot;socialist&quot; or that is &quot;communist&quot;. 

Look at Europeans (sweden, france, germany) countries with moderate taxes. Look at Canada. They all have free health care. And they have innovation too. (fuel cells, airbus, bmws, etc). They have one of the best engineerings of the world. AND THEY ARE NOT SOCIALISTS!.

Taxes are needed to pay for education, health care and military (remember america has 2 wars) and they do stimulate the economy. MS has enough money. Gates is the number 1 rich in the world and ballmer is 2nd or 3rd. geez. They are only going to pay now that they always had to pay by law, not anything more.

Seriously of all the people here. are you all big corporations? do you all make more than $250,000 per year? If not this is actually going to be FOR you not against you. And even if you are big corporations if you are making a big ass profit it would not hurt you to contribute a little more for your country. It is called PATRIOTISM not SOCIALISM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its funny how americans always come up with &#8220;socialism&#8221; every time big corporations or overly rich people have to pay taxes. Its not that I like socialism I hate it in fact. I wouldnt imagine living in cuba where they dont have shit and there is a dictator. but really there has to be some balance. you cant just have the most extreme inhumane capitalism extremely rich people while having poor people on the streets, no health care for most working americans.</p>
<p>Its all propaganda from the 50&#8217;s. America is never going to be socialist. ( I hope so ) Do not let some take away your rights and funds that are for you saying this is &#8220;socialist&#8221; or that is &#8220;communist&#8221;. </p>
<p>Look at Europeans (sweden, france, germany) countries with moderate taxes. Look at Canada. They all have free health care. And they have innovation too. (fuel cells, airbus, bmws, etc). They have one of the best engineerings of the world. AND THEY ARE NOT SOCIALISTS!.</p>
<p>Taxes are needed to pay for education, health care and military (remember america has 2 wars) and they do stimulate the economy. MS has enough money. Gates is the number 1 rich in the world and ballmer is 2nd or 3rd. geez. They are only going to pay now that they always had to pay by law, not anything more.</p>
<p>Seriously of all the people here. are you all big corporations? do you all make more than $250,000 per year? If not this is actually going to be FOR you not against you. And even if you are big corporations if you are making a big ass profit it would not hurt you to contribute a little more for your country. It is called PATRIOTISM not SOCIALISM.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what Obama said before he was elected.  He wanted to lower taxes for the poor and raise taxes, cut loopholes for the rich. He said that right off the bat and now Steve Ballmer is saying he&#039;ll move MS to another country.  What did he think Obama was joking?  What would Bill Gates do?  I doubt he&#039;d move MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what Obama said before he was elected.  He wanted to lower taxes for the poor and raise taxes, cut loopholes for the rich. He said that right off the bat and now Steve Ballmer is saying he&#8217;ll move MS to another country.  What did he think Obama was joking?  What would Bill Gates do?  I doubt he&#8217;d move MS.</p>
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		<title>By: Hybrid storage controversy: Did Microsoft just ban the sale of the MSI Wind U115?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hybrid storage controversy: Did Microsoft just ban the sale of the MSI Wind U115?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeramey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeramey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok people, we get it. You don&#039;t agree with the current administration&#039;s policies regarding letting the loophole that allowed businesses to pay less taxes expire. You feel that them having to actually pay a near-proportionate amount of taxes will eventually halt innovation and production within business, and run this country into the ground. 

We get it. 

We get the whole questioning the birth certificate of an individual who was born to an American citizen. We get the whole &quot;he&#039;s creating more socialist programs&quot; argument. I honestly understand your concern however superannuated it may be. 

The real fact of the matter is that this article, although lacking in technological advancements, is about a big technological player possibly threatening to move a portion of their business overseas to prevent paying the same taxes we all pay. I believe this is disappointing because of the status both within this country and abroad that Microsoft has as a leader, innovator, and model of a successful company. If what this article says is truly the stance of Microsoft, it shows others that will eventually have to pay higher taxes, however proportionate they may be, that simply cutting and running is the best way to go. 

All this will eventually do is create more obstacles for the companies that choose to leave. Who really honestly believes that any government would happily allow its country-based businesses take their jobs abroad in order to avoid taxes? 

What will eventually happen if this were to come to pass is the government would slap a fee on any product that is created abroad by the U.S. based company (for example) and enters the country of residence, (similar to what they began doing to Honda and Toyota until they built assembly plants in the U.S.)

Yes, one could say that the companies would simply pass on the governmental fees to the consumer- however when a lower cost alternative is made available (i.e. the companies who elected to pay their share of taxes and continue to be innovative - Apple, anyone?), the company saddled with the additional fees will be forced to do one of two things.

1.) Suck it up and pay their share of taxes, so that they can begin selling a cost-competitive product.

2.) Attempt to buck the trend and hold on to hope that consumers will elect to purchase their more expensive product.

It&#039;s honestly as simple as making it more expensive to produce a product overseas than to stay and pay their share of taxes. I am a PC man at heart, and if this does come to pass, it will really make me do a lot of rethinking.

p.s.
I honestly don&#039;t believe that Microsoft will move a significant portion of jobs overseas. With the fees associated with producing products overseas, It would be financial suicide. Part of their continued success was their ability to undercut the competition in price, and to saturate the market with low-cost, high-visibility products. Purposely making their products cost more because they did not want to pay taxes would do more harm than good to their partnerships with computer manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok people, we get it. You don&#8217;t agree with the current administration&#8217;s policies regarding letting the loophole that allowed businesses to pay less taxes expire. You feel that them having to actually pay a near-proportionate amount of taxes will eventually halt innovation and production within business, and run this country into the ground. </p>
<p>We get it. </p>
<p>We get the whole questioning the birth certificate of an individual who was born to an American citizen. We get the whole &#8220;he&#8217;s creating more socialist programs&#8221; argument. I honestly understand your concern however superannuated it may be. </p>
<p>The real fact of the matter is that this article, although lacking in technological advancements, is about a big technological player possibly threatening to move a portion of their business overseas to prevent paying the same taxes we all pay. I believe this is disappointing because of the status both within this country and abroad that Microsoft has as a leader, innovator, and model of a successful company. If what this article says is truly the stance of Microsoft, it shows others that will eventually have to pay higher taxes, however proportionate they may be, that simply cutting and running is the best way to go. </p>
<p>All this will eventually do is create more obstacles for the companies that choose to leave. Who really honestly believes that any government would happily allow its country-based businesses take their jobs abroad in order to avoid taxes? </p>
<p>What will eventually happen if this were to come to pass is the government would slap a fee on any product that is created abroad by the U.S. based company (for example) and enters the country of residence, (similar to what they began doing to Honda and Toyota until they built assembly plants in the U.S.)</p>
<p>Yes, one could say that the companies would simply pass on the governmental fees to the consumer- however when a lower cost alternative is made available (i.e. the companies who elected to pay their share of taxes and continue to be innovative &#8211; Apple, anyone?), the company saddled with the additional fees will be forced to do one of two things.</p>
<p>1.) Suck it up and pay their share of taxes, so that they can begin selling a cost-competitive product.</p>
<p>2.) Attempt to buck the trend and hold on to hope that consumers will elect to purchase their more expensive product.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s honestly as simple as making it more expensive to produce a product overseas than to stay and pay their share of taxes. I am a PC man at heart, and if this does come to pass, it will really make me do a lot of rethinking.</p>
<p>p.s.<br />
I honestly don&#8217;t believe that Microsoft will move a significant portion of jobs overseas. With the fees associated with producing products overseas, It would be financial suicide. Part of their continued success was their ability to undercut the competition in price, and to saturate the market with low-cost, high-visibility products. Purposely making their products cost more because they did not want to pay taxes would do more harm than good to their partnerships with computer manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Condensed Knowledge - June 7, 2009 - Lists - Raoul Pop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condensed Knowledge - June 7, 2009 - Lists - Raoul Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they having been paying less taxes than everyone else thanx to these loopholes by stock holders in congress so ending these loop holes means they have to pay what they aways payed say you and your neigbor had the same house same pool your mortgage was 100,300 his rent was 55,021cause he a big business guy and had a tax loophole but the loop hole is closing and now he has to pay 100,300 just like you and your saying that&#039;s not fair how explain it to us all i got time the me pull up a seat and get a shuvel for the bull$2it im about to hear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they having been paying less taxes than everyone else thanx to these loopholes by stock holders in congress so ending these loop holes means they have to pay what they aways payed say you and your neigbor had the same house same pool your mortgage was 100,300 his rent was 55,021cause he a big business guy and had a tax loophole but the loop hole is closing and now he has to pay 100,300 just like you and your saying that&#8217;s not fair how explain it to us all i got time the me pull up a seat and get a shuvel for the bull$2it im about to hear</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the bush admin gave tax breaks to companies that outsourced anymore questions</description>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(typo previous post)
first off the loop holes they are closing meaning they have been getting away with paying the less taxes they should have always payed he complaining that they actually have to pay it now its like us renting a 100 dollar a month parking garage space and only paying 10 dollars a month and getting away with it till now you got pay the price you should have always payed tax breaks for the richest is coming to an end they have to pay there fair share just like every other business and i see nothing wrong with that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(typo previous post)<br />
first off the loop holes they are closing meaning they have been getting away with paying the less taxes they should have always payed he complaining that they actually have to pay it now its like us renting a 100 dollar a month parking garage space and only paying 10 dollars a month and getting away with it till now you got pay the price you should have always payed tax breaks for the richest is coming to an end they have to pay there fair share just like every other business and i see nothing wrong with that</p>
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