Comments on: Palm: Prithee, good sirs, speak not of Palm Pre tethering http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/ Gadgets, gear and computer hardware. Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:34:06 -0500 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1041604 Patrick Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:25:12 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1041604 The $99 Simply Everything plan does allow tethering -- I've done it on my Mogul since day 1 and there was nothing in my agreement prohibiting it. This is where the problem lies for me: if I switch from Mogul to Pre, tethering disappears. I'd then be paying the same per month for less value. This is why the "integrity" comment here is baseless. Sprint will be *taking* value from me if I buy a Pre. Therefore I have zero compunction about a hacked tether solution. The $99 Simply Everything plan does allow tethering — I’ve done it on my Mogul since day 1 and there was nothing in my agreement prohibiting it. This is where the problem lies for me: if I switch from Mogul to Pre, tethering disappears. I’d then be paying the same per month for less value. This is why the “integrity” comment here is baseless. Sprint will be *taking* value from me if I buy a Pre. Therefore I have zero compunction about a hacked tether solution.

]]> By: Caving » Caving to Recession, Apple Slashes MacBook Price Tags http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1041175 Caving » Caving to Recession, Apple Slashes MacBook Price Tags Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:18:02 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1041175 [...] Palm: Prithee, good sirs, speak not of Palm Pre tetheringThis story is trashing Pre devs for caving to big, expensive lawyers and for not getting in an ugly legal fight which they would have lost anyway based on precedent in this country. I just don’t get it — do developers usually stand up … [...] [...] Palm: Prithee, good sirs, speak not of Palm Pre tetheringThis story is trashing Pre devs for caving to big, expensive lawyers and for not getting in an ugly legal fight which they would have lost anyway based on precedent in this country. I just don’t get it — do developers usually stand up … [...]

]]> By: Better Elevation » Blog Archive » Palm Responds to iTunes Note http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038914 Better Elevation » Blog Archive » Palm Responds to iTunes Note Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:21:38 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038914 [...] Funny how Palm is the champion of reverse-engineering and what’s best for the customer as long as nobody is hacking their stuff. [...] [...] Funny how Palm is the champion of reverse-engineering and what’s best for the customer as long as nobody is hacking their stuff. [...]

]]> By: The Cellular Times » Blog Archive » Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038557 The Cellular Times » Blog Archive » Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:54:00 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038557 [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...] [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...]

]]> By: Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” « Kentmihlbauer’s Blog http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038314 Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” « Kentmihlbauer’s Blog Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:50:39 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038314 [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...] [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...]

]]> By: larry sanders http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038293 larry sanders Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:05:32 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038293 Jesus, more in the absurd "We didn't get a Pre, waaaaah!" CrunchTirade. Give it up already, Arrington Jesus, more in the absurd “We didn’t get a Pre, waaaaah!” CrunchTirade. Give it up already, Arrington

]]> By: Jason W http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038229 Jason W Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:59:00 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038229 It really sounds like you did little to no research on the issue before posting this. Palm has, thus far, been very helpful to the development community essentially providing an easy way to root the Pre. Compare that to other unnamed phone providers that blatantly attempt to squash any such talk. Their explanation even says "We have been POLITELY CAUTIONED by Palm" --- there's no talk of a C&D or any other legal demands, so really we have no clue what was said to the dev admins. Even more, Palm employees have been spending time assisting the dev community on their efforts. Does the beloved Apple dev community get the same kind of assistance? So Sprint doesn't want to provide free tethering. Good for them --- they're a business, they need to make money. Bandwidth over mobile networks isn't cheap for them. The data part of the Simply Everything plan is for PHONE DATA, not for some device you connect to your phone. Will Sprint open up paid tethering in the future? I wouldn't be shocked if they do. But that's a side point. In the end, the dev community made the right choice. Give up a little something for continued open support direct from Palm. It really sounds like you did little to no research on the issue before posting this. Palm has, thus far, been very helpful to the development community essentially providing an easy way to root the Pre. Compare that to other unnamed phone providers that blatantly attempt to squash any such talk. Their explanation even says “We have been POLITELY CAUTIONED by Palm” — there’s no talk of a C&D or any other legal demands, so really we have no clue what was said to the dev admins. Even more, Palm employees have been spending time assisting the dev community on their efforts. Does the beloved Apple dev community get the same kind of assistance?

So Sprint doesn’t want to provide free tethering. Good for them — they’re a business, they need to make money. Bandwidth over mobile networks isn’t cheap for them. The data part of the Simply Everything plan is for PHONE DATA, not for some device you connect to your phone. Will Sprint open up paid tethering in the future? I wouldn’t be shocked if they do. But that’s a side point.

In the end, the dev community made the right choice. Give up a little something for continued open support direct from Palm.

]]> By: Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038068 Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:52:08 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1038068 [...] it: PreDev Wiki opens the knock down to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, hereafter nixes the matter in hand at the prayer of Palm. Just hours later, the in the beginning tethering melting has gone up. [...] [...] it: PreDev Wiki opens the knock down to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, hereafter nixes the matter in hand at the prayer of Palm. Just hours later, the in the beginning tethering melting has gone up. [...]

]]> By: AtOurGates http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037928 AtOurGates Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:47:26 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037928 I agree with your sentiment here. It is useful to maintain a positive relationship with Palm, and I therefore see the logic of acquiescing to their requests. However - there's also quite a bit to be said for an open development environment. Why not create a parallel Wiki that mirrors content from the "official'ish" Pre Dev Wiki, but without the restrictions of making Palm/Sprint happy? Make it a real source for information? Hell, why don't I do that? Well, because I don't have the time. But, I should. I agree with your sentiment here. It is useful to maintain a positive relationship with Palm, and I therefore see the logic of acquiescing to their requests. However – there’s also quite a bit to be said for an open development environment. Why not create a parallel Wiki that mirrors content from the “official’ish” Pre Dev Wiki, but without the restrictions of making Palm/Sprint happy? Make it a real source for information?

Hell, why don’t I do that? Well, because I don’t have the time. But, I should.

]]> By: John Biggs http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037896 John Biggs Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:03:10 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037896 just popped into the room. they wouldn't talk about it. just popped into the room. they wouldn’t talk about it.

]]> By: John Biggs http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037886 John Biggs Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:47:16 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037886 point is moot, as I said it would be: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/06/15/palm-pre-now-tether-friendly-depending-on-your-definition-of-friendly/ point is moot, as I said it would be:
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/06/15/palm-pre-now-tether-friendly-depending-on-your-definition-of-friendly/

]]> By: Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037883 Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:40:25 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037883 [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...] [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone up. Coincidence? [...]

]]> By: Devs Roll Over To Palm’s “Recommendation” Not To Talk About Pre Web Tethering (TechCrunch) – Unlocked iPhones http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037858 Devs Roll Over To Palm’s “Recommendation” Not To Talk About Pre Web Tethering (TechCrunch) – Unlocked iPhones Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:47:30 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037858 [...] The rest is here: Devs Roll Over To Palm’s “Recommendation” Not To Talk About Pre Web Tethering (TechCrunch) [...] [...] The rest is here: Devs Roll Over To Palm’s “Recommendation” Not To Talk About Pre Web Tethering (TechCrunch) [...]

]]> By: Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037836 Palm Pre now tether-friendly, depending on your definition of “friendly” Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:20:13 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037836 [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone [...] [...] the way we saw it: PreDev Wiki opens the floor to anyone looking to discuss tethering the Pre, then nixes the topic at the request of Palm. Just hours later, the first tethering solution has gone [...]

]]> By: Johnny Come Lately http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037821 Johnny Come Lately Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:54:51 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037821 Did you try and reach out to one of the predev members to see if they were indeed rolling over to a C&D? Or did you decide to just form your own opinion and attack in the process? irc.freenode.net #webos-internals Ask them first. Did you try and reach out to one of the predev members to see if they were indeed rolling over to a C&D? Or did you decide to just form your own opinion and attack in the process?

irc.freenode.net #webos-internals

Ask them first.

]]> By: PC http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037818 PC Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:48:03 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037818 In these situations, you have to throw caution to the wind otherwise you hamper innovation. Case in point: iPhone App Store. A bunch of hackers opened the OS so you could install whatever you want and do things that weren't allowed on non-jailbreaked phones like tethering. Result? Apple realized the demand for apps and functionality like tethering. They created the legitimate app store and the ability to tether (now only if AT&T didn't suck). What's surprising is that the typical attitude of hackers is to do things now and ask questions later. Otherwise, what's the point? You're not really much of a "hacker" if you're going to color within the lines like all the other developers. In these situations, you have to throw caution to the wind otherwise you hamper innovation.

Case in point: iPhone App Store. A bunch of hackers opened the OS so you could install whatever you want and do things that weren’t allowed on non-jailbreaked phones like tethering.

Result? Apple realized the demand for apps and functionality like tethering. They created the legitimate app store and the ability to tether (now only if AT&T didn’t suck).

What’s surprising is that the typical attitude of hackers is to do things now and ask questions later. Otherwise, what’s the point? You’re not really much of a “hacker” if you’re going to color within the lines like all the other developers.

]]> By: John Biggs http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037817 John Biggs Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:47:18 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037817 they posted what happened and it sounds like rolling over to a C&D rather than an effort at true exploration. more power to them. my wiki isn't meant to compete - it's to show how irrelevant Palm or Apple's or Samsung's or anyone's efforts are in a case like this. they posted what happened and it sounds like rolling over to a C&D rather than an effort at true exploration. more power to them. my wiki isn’t meant to compete – it’s to show how irrelevant Palm or Apple’s or Samsung’s or anyone’s efforts are in a case like this.

]]> By: Drew http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037800 Drew Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:37:44 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037800 Wow!!!! Your new wiki is jampacked with members!!! Ever stopped to think that maybe the PreDevsWiki were appreciative of the manner in which they were approached by Palm, and that maybe they have been given certain assurances that were enough to satiate them (for the time being)?? Your snotty, know-it-all style of writing could do with some more detailed research and investigative journalism to truly determine what is happening by the PreDevsWiki site. Wow!!!! Your new wiki is jampacked with members!!!

Ever stopped to think that maybe the PreDevsWiki were appreciative of the manner in which they were approached by Palm, and that maybe they have been given certain assurances that were enough to satiate them (for the time being)??

Your snotty, know-it-all style of writing could do with some more detailed research and investigative journalism to truly determine what is happening by the PreDevsWiki site.

]]> By: Maj http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037776 Maj Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:01:33 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037776 It's another palm pilot. Nobody needs another palm pilot. EOF It’s another palm pilot.

Nobody needs another palm pilot.

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]]> By: Maj http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/comment-page-1/#comment-1037774 Maj Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:00:08 +0000 http://www.crunchgear.com/?p=95234#comment-1037774 You meant PUSSIES, right? You meant PUSSIES, right?

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