Now, it’s not this blog’s intention to post every little bit of gaming news (or is it?), but this is a more signal event than all the PR out there. Modern Warfare 2 for the PC, which infamously lacks dedicated servers, a console, the ability to kick players, and other things integral to a good PC game. Infinity Ward, maddeningly apathetic to the needs and requests of their users, has said that no changes to the stated areas are forthcoming.
Well, you can’t keep a good PC gamer down. Certain cracks already allow some online play, and now the console has been enabled, allowing players to kick, change POV and FOV, and presumably do most of the stuff Infinity Ward decided had to stay in the cookie jar. Tut tut, developers. You didn’t see this coming? You could have made it easier on yourselves, but instead you turned a whole segment of your market against you.
Here’s the download link for the tool (use at your own risk) and the discussion thread at Guru3D.
Jeeze, glad I have the ps3 version of the game.
http://bit.ly/DeI1O
haha this is the second time ive seen a console moron say this. you have never had any of the features that pc owners are complaining about. pc owners are angry the the pc version is the same as you ps3 version
I think he means because he isnt a whiny, self-entitled douche who gives masturbates over archaic and obsoleted features.
-gives
And thats we call your kind as console Noobz because you dont know how much fun there is to be had in setting up ur own server and tweaking your own settings. And archaic can best be used to describe the crappy console that you are using so just shut up your hole and go play your game. Dont make a fool of yourself by commenting about something that you have never tried
“much fun there is to be had in setting up ur own server and tweaking your own settings”
Oh joy!
Can we change sparkplugs and paint the fence too? This might me too much fun for me to take!
Oh oh oh, we might even get to spend five hours trying to figure out what is incompatible with your system that is causing the game to constantly crash! Wheeee!
“And archaic can best be used to describe the crappy console that you are using
Archanic?
Lesse, 360, triple core cpu,3D gui, hdmi out, costs $200 to play games that require a $800 PC…..
PS3, seven-SPE based state of the art CPU designed by IBM, hdmi out, video playback features that make Windows Media Player seem like RealPlayer 1.0, Blu-Ray…..
Are you SURE you know what archaic means?
“Dont make a fool of yourself by commenting about something that you have never tried”
And now wild mass assumptions, anybody who likes consoles MUST have never tried a PC, because you know, CLEARLY he is posting that from his cellphone or something.
Could you possibly make PC users look any more foolish?
Oh shit, Rahul just got so owned. I feel sorry for you.
Rahul, console noobs sometimes just like the simplicity. I game on PC, but prefer to just sit back on my couch and have fun without taking everything so serious. You may want to be a geek and modify stuff so you have an advantage over those who do not, but that isn’t what everyone wants.
‘Oh oh oh, we might even get to spend five hours trying to figure out what is incompatible with your system that is causing the game to constantly crash! Wheeee!’
Heh i play games all the time its not like everytime theres gonna be a system crash or something. And its not like a console never has problems. Believe me the red ring of death is way way more popular than the Blue screen of death. And if you think it takes 5 hours to figure out a problem, then i guess you roam around with fools who know nothing about computers. And see every problem can be fixed. All those issues your talking about(trying to deviate from the topic at hand) can be solved. I play games all the time and i’ve had very little probs. You need to know what to do. If you don’t, and if you’re dumb enough to not know what google is, go buy a console.
Also try telling the people who play counter strike and other multiplayer games about how awesome multiplayer on consoles really is. They might not laugh at you but they will have a nice crack at you when you leave. Dedicated servers, mods, system console etc etc these are things that can significantly improve your gameplay experience. Look at oblivion. Mods have changed the face of that game. There are so many custom levels, tweaks and fixes available for that game its insane. Even COD4. Playing in a clan having custom commands and having a host control everything rocked. If you have experienced it and if you still think its too much to ask for then i really feel sad for you and for your narrow tastes in gaming. If you don’t like any of these thats your choice but for those who enjoy playing on dedicated servers its a big thing believe me.
‘Lesse, 360, triple core cpu,3D gui, hdmi out, costs $200 to play games that require a $800 PC…..
PS3, seven-SPE based state of the art CPU designed by IBM, hdmi out, video playback features that make Windows Media Player seem like RealPlayer 1.0, Blu-Ray…..’
XBOX 360 has a 9600 which is a good video card but only medium or even less than todays standards. And that triple core cpu that you are talking about is very outdated compared to the quad cores and corei7’s out today. On top of that it has just 512 mb of SHARED memory which is meh by todays standards. The PS3 on the other hand has a great processor but just a 7800 which is a low-medium end card by todays standard. And those video playback capabilities that you’re talking about don’t hold a candle to what you have on PC’s believe me. The resolution alone kills everything you have there. I might have exaggerated by saying that is downright crappy, but for the most part my argument still stands. Its easy to say big words and ‘decimate people’ as you put it. But you’re just trying to hide the hard facts underneath all the small talk. And i agree its expensive, but if have the cash then theres nothing like it. There will be something and then there will always be something else better than it. It depends on whether or not you can afford it. Granted PC gaming can be expensive but you cannot state it as an outright advantage for the consoles. You always pay for the parts you buy. Its not a miracle that they are so cheap believe me. And plus PC’s are not always for gaming theres a whole lot of it there than i don’t want to delve it. I hope you get the point. And this is exactly why i made the wild mass assumption that you’re talking about. I was talking about dedicated servers but you put a whole lot of meaning into that last sentence of mine. You’re just another one of those console stereotypes who talk the big talk out of their A$$. I don’t mind getting “owned” by the likes of you. Its like being made fun of by a joker. Big acts but then the jokes always on them. Nice way to pass the time :p
“Believe me the red ring of death is way way more popular than the Blue screen of death.”
Ummmm, no. Just no, you are clearly being biased here if you try to make such a ridiculous claim.
Windows crashes if I use a ramdrive or specific usb drive for crying out loud!
“And if you think it takes 5 hours to figure out a problem, then i guess you roam around with fools who know nothing about computers.”
If you think every computer problem can be solved in an hour then you clearly know nothing about computers.
This is coming from a Computer Engineer and Systems Analyst mind you.
“And see every problem can be fixed.”
Oh sure, the “spent several hours reformatting and reinstalling everything” procedure…
“I play games all the time and i’ve had very little probs. You need to know what to do. If you don’t, and if you’re dumb enough to not know what google is, go buy a console.”
You realize that I and everybody else tore this “consoles are for stupid people” argument to shreds right?
Judging by your utter lack of english and grammar its clear I have been working with computer systems before you were even born, so please don’t bring this “You don’t know what you are doing, you are stupid!” crap.
“XBOX 360 has a 9600 which is a good video card but only medium or even less than todays standards.”
Thank you for demonstrating that you know NOTHING about computer systems and consoles.
1. The 360 uses a custom GPU called the ATI Xenos.
2. You clearly do not understand the HUGE advantage a closed system with one hardware configuration has over an open system with a million possible configurations AND a huge(compared to consoles) OS overhead. THIS is why a console can go toe-to-toe with a PC of far higher specs for a fraction of the price.
“Granted PC gaming can be expensive but you cannot state it as an outright advantage for the consoles. ”
Sure I can, because its the truth, and because you have no understanding of the differences between a console and a PC.
If you are going to bother to reply to me, learn what punctuation and paragraphs are.
@sadds
So what the hell are you bitching about?
I don’t recall my post as bitching? I guess I can’t be happy because I decided to purchase the PS3 version, and not get screwed like you?
being glad you have a version that is no better in anyway to the pc version makes no sense. you keep saying pc users are getting screwed, screwed by having to play with matchmaking like you do?
@Cyber Akuma
I am sorry in reading your comments about PCs and Windows crashing “Windows crashes if I use a ramdrive or specific usb drive for crying out loud!” and “This is coming from a Computer Engineer and Systems Analyst mind you.” I don’t know what you are doing but I do not think you are a Computer Engineer or a Systems Analyst if you can’t a Solid state hard drive or USB device to work I am pretty sure your doing it wrong. I am currently dual booting Windows 7 and Windows XP from a Solid State drive. And about your USB device are you sure it is not infected? I have never had my computer crash from a USB device. I am pretty sure your doing something wrong and your not a Computer Engineer and Systems Analyst. If you are I pity the company that employs you they must have really low standards.
“I don’t know what you are doing but I do not think you are a Computer Engineer or a Systems Analyst”
I most assure you that I am.
“if you can’t a Solid state hard drive or USB device to work I am pretty sure your doing it wrong.”
Lesee….
I plug it in by USB, instant bluescreen.
Sorry but I am pretty sure I am not performing the “plug usb device into usb slot” step wrong.
And who said anything about SSD?
You realize that a ramdrive is NOT a solid state drive right? Its almost the OPPOSITE of a solid state drive.
“I am currently dual booting Windows 7 and Windows XP from a Solid State drive.”
I am triple booting Windows and two distros of Linux, I am no stranger to multiboot.
“And about your USB device are you sure it is not infected”
Yes, quite certain. Especially since any and all autorun is disabled and since I use the same antivirus on all my systems as well as keep it up to date, if it was infected my other systems, which do NOT crash, would have picked it up. By the way, the only system that is crashing is the only one running Windows 7.
“I have never had my computer crash from a USB device.
You either are a liar, have few USB devices, or are one of the luckiest people on earth.
I have never had my CPU overheat, that does not mean its not possible just because it never happened to me.
“I am pretty sure your doing something wrong and your not a Computer Engineer and Systems Analyst. If you are I pity the company that employs you they must have really low standards.”
I am pretty sure you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and falsely assume that just because something has not happened to you its impossible and everybody else must be lying.
You had poor english, a giant wall of text, made several (incorrect) assumptions, and confused several computer terms together, not to mention correlated circumstantial evidence to be fact.
Well this is good news, and unlike Xbox 360 consoles wherein Microsoft can Ban your LIVE ID for good
http://bit.ly/one-million-players-banned-on-playing-modern-warfare-2
PC has always been the greatest “gaming console” for me. Crysys 2 here we come! :D
There’s something alluring when you tweak on your own rig rather having someone to have it made for you.
My biggest problem with PC gaming is that they don’t have any damn games I CARE about on the PC.
FPS, RTS, MMORPG, that basically makes up 99% of the library of a modern gaming PC.
And don’t give me those $5 download-only games, I am talking about professional retail titles.
FPS I enjoy, but most of the FPS games I like are console only.
Hate RTS.
Already play an MMPORPG, one that is cross-compatible with the PS2, Xbox360, and PCs. I am not going to pay to play more than one MMORPG.
On top of this, they are making WAY too make FPS games this gen, the market is becoming over-saturated. There are only so much times you can shoot somebody in the head in first person.
JRPGs, Platformers, Action-adventure, fighters, these are the genres I prefer, and are basically nonexistent on PCs, especially for the English speaking crowd.
Basically, it seems like all a PC is good for nowadays is Counter Strike and Command and Conquer.
+1
Scratch that +1, wrong comment -1! hehe
Who pirates a console game? Honestly.
Hey, just want to share my friend’s demise on playing pirated version about Modern warfare 2. He was one of the 1 million unlucky souls who got banned by Msoft Xbox 360. Yeah, perhaps we should transfer to PS3.
http://bit.ly/banned-xbox360
I don’t see what the big deal is. I have every console and play PC games as well. Why is it important to change the FOV? What is wrong with playing the game as it is intended? I bet all of you self-righteous PC elitists think you could pick better camera angles than Peter Jackson too. These people are professionals and there is a reason why they choose to do the things that they do. BTW bashing consoles is really lame considering PC gaming is in such a sad state. You get to play either an FPS, RTS, or RPG game. Real variety there. Consoles on the other hand offer more variety and pretty darn good graphics to boot. When you get tired of tweaking your “cool” PC settings, try moving out of your parents basement and get a life.
Oh I almost forgot to rib Rahul about the “Noobz” comment……….It is hard to take anything someone says seriously when they break out that gem. Reminds me of the 12 year olds playing Halo.
‘You get to play either an FPS, RTS, or RPG game. Real variety there.’
There are many multiplatform games out there which are also on PC and which also don’t belong to just these three genres. Also you forgot the adventure genre and the sports managements games which are wildly popular on PC. And what about simulation games. They might not be everyones cup of tea but they are insanely popular. Also sidescrollers, casual gaming etc etc are wildly popular and still going strong today. So you do have the options. And please now don’t start mentioning the genres the consoles have because i am not comparing. M just stating my reply to your comment. But then if you just want to complain about something, you use the same old arguments which others have used without knowing the entirety of it….right?
You clearly replied to the wrong post but…
“There are many multiplatform games out there which are also on PC and which also don’t belong to just these three genres.”
Sorry but these are few and far in between.
Look at the shelves in a store, almost all you see are FPS, RTS, MMORPG, and he occasional collection of flash or popcap games like Diner Dash, which is available on damn near anything.
“Also you forgot the adventure genre and the sports managements games which are wildly popular on PC.”
The adventure genra that WAS popular on the PC, this isn’t 1990 anymore, Tales of Monkey Island and Sam and Max are on consoles as well and basically hitting on the nostalgia/retro craze going around right now.
The major sports simulation titles are browser based, not really PC clients.
“Also sidescrollers”
Ummm no, no no no, I haven’t seen a decent MAJOR sidescreoller on the PC in decades.
We are talking RETAIL games here, not $5 downloadables.
Well i’m a young gamer but i have logged over 2000 hours of fps games on each pc and ps3 console. within the last 3 years. The Pc game i played was ut2004. we always had a console available and could do any of this “fun stuff” so i don’t consider it hacking in any way shape or form for one. in the end it’s the player who has to move the mouse or controller joystick.
for example…changing the POV has good and bad. you might be able to see around corners but there is always a large blind spot (your charachter) and it is a little harder to aim and control.
Changing the FOV to say 120 degrees was the max people would do. any farther and it would mess with your vision so much you wouldnt be able to hit your targets. it was actually easier to hit with a smaller FOV but of course that means you can’t see as much.
And Kicking players…Man i miss that about Computer. We always had a vote to kick option. enough votes and the player was outta there and because it took majority vote it was hardly abused.
most of all i miss the dedicated servers. in my opinion that was and remains to be the only thing pc games hold over console games. the only reason i’d go back to a pc. some people play the same server over and over and get to know the people on it slowly. it definitly created a better sense of comrodarie. and i know someone is gonna counter with the friends list but not everyone uses a friends list that way. we don’t all add whomever wants to be our friend just because we met them once. and on consoles it’s harder to make good actual gaming friends because there’s always a new server and a new game. sorry but i think it’s true. but the best thing about servers is that some people want to play by specific rules. i’d love to join a dedicated server with a dozen other people thats lets say handguns only…or if i’m in the mood headshots only or something like that. it could be anything crazy.
theres my two cents. i know this is a huge debate but in my opinion it doesnt matter what i like more but what matters is that infinity ward took something precious away from pc gamers and doesnt wanna give it back so pc gamers on the whole are taking action and i think its a good thing and sends a strong message.
it’s hard to take anyone here seriously when all they do is bash eachother. To each his own and let him or her enjoy it. my opinion…since this relates to pc gamers i think it’s mostly the pc gamers who should be stating their opinions…but if anyone else has anything valid i’d love to hear it.
“much fun there is to be had in setting up ur own server and tweaking your own settings”.. Brilliant, when my life gets so boring that setting up a server is classed as fun then I will gladly sell my xbox, girlfriend, friends, going to the pub, enjoying life or other thing else that is remotely more intresting than “setting up a server”.. Get a life (or console) !!
I played consoles and PC and I class myself as a gamer. I was in 2 minds as to get MW2 or not but i did in the end. P2P hosting is old done 10 years ago on the PC. One thing the console side should be asking for is dedicated servers. Everyone will be on the same playing field no host advantage and yes that really does happen. I’ve seen alot of flaming of PC peeps since the no ded server annoucment and one thing console peeps need to know is without the PC your wouldn’t have half as many good games as you do now if it wasn’t for the PC. Oh and to those that say 200 for a console blah blah blah. If you were to buy a new setup of either a PC is far cheaper. £700+ for decent TV £200 for a console £250+ for a decent surround sound setup. PC for one that could play Crysis/MW2 including monitor and speakers less then a grand. As i said i’m a gamer not a fanboy off any platform most peeps need to take a step back and think what would be best for our platform and try to push for it.
“If you were to buy a new setup of either a PC is far cheaper”
WRONG
And don’t even bother bringing monitors and tvs into the mix, any modern console can plug into a monitor and and modern hdtv can connect to a PC. Not to mention most people already have a decent monitor and/or HDTV.
Consoles will ALWAYS be cheaper and last longer than a PC, this is a FACT.
The Xbox360 came out in 2005 for $400 (ill be generous and ignore the $300 version with no Harddrive).
Lets see somebody in 2005 build a $400 PC that can match 360’s games (as in 2005 parts AND 2005 prices) in reoslution, detail, and framerate, AND have that PC still manage to play new games 10 years down the line without any upgrades.
Simple: YOU CAN’T.
Stop, I know what you are going to try next “b-b-b-but a PC can do other things!”
So can a console, but that’s not the issue here.
We are talking about GAMING here, not running MS Office or Photoshop.
Its funny how PC elitists always try to fall back on this whe I utterly decimate their arguments, its like when I decimate an Apple fanboy’s delusion that Macs somehow have better hardware than PCS, then they try to fallback that a Mac can run Windows…… despite the fact that they were trashing Windows and saying how much better MACOSX is earlier in the argument.
I’ve played this dance many times, as soon as I point out how a PC is most definitely NOT cheaper than a console people try to claim that a PC can do other things…. in a GAMING discussion!
Technology has moved on since 2005, and I’d bet you good money that most games available on both platforms can be made to look and perform better on a PC than their equivalents on the Xbox.
As for an xbox 360 lasting longer and being cheaper, let us look at total cost of ownership here. Games for the xbox 360 are considerably more expensive up-front than games for the PC, especially if you buy the PC games when they drop to the $30-40 price point a few months after they come out. Then there are costs for basic operations on xbox live, and for any DLCs you may want to download (you usually get these for free on the PC, see valve’s updates to TF2 for instance). Additionally, for whatever reason xbox 360s seem far more prone to catastrophic failures than any PC, (http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/), so you might have to go buy a new one at some point (further driving up the price you pay).
“Technology has moved on since 2005, and I’d bet you good money that most games available on both platforms can be made to look and perform better on a PC than their equivalents on the Xbox.”
My point is no PC by a console’s release can match the console for anywhere near the same price.
Trying to compare tech made cheaper and newer several years after the console’s release is hardly fair now is it?
Try to build a $200 PC that can match a 360 with modern prices then.
“As for an xbox 360 lasting longer and being cheaper, let us look at total cost of ownership here.”
Lesee, operating systems, antivirus, upgrades since itll be outdated within two years….
“Games for the xbox 360 are considerably more expensive up-front than games for the PC”
$60 instead of $50 is hardly what I would call “considerably”
“Then there are costs for basic operations on xbox live”
1. its optional
2. $50 a year, less than $5 a month. You probably spend more on fast food.
I certainly wouldn’t argue that PCs are cheaper than consoles. That is blatantly obvious, especially if you’re like me and must have the latest/greatest hardware in your rig. But I also I have decent job and don’t have to beg my parents for an xbox for christmas. I think the extra $$$ is worth it. Its worth the money just to see my console gamer friends’ jaws drop when they see how the game could look if their console wasn’t so underpowered. I do own a ps3 slim and I enjoy its gaming and blu-ray capabilities immensly. It boils down to preference, the types of games you enjoy, and the amounth of dispensable income you’re willing to part with for that ultimate experience.
“But I also I have decent job and don’t have to beg my parents for an xbox for christmas.”
Oh please, you are trying to argue that PC users are more mature then pull out the “begged his parents for XXX system” garbage?
Ok, so you are comparing a set up of a value of £1150 to a gaming rig with a what 22″ screen and some pc speakers.
In my lounge where I play my games there is a 37″ TV and surround sound 5.1 and my PS3. The TV is an LG 1080p cost £459, the surrond sound Panasonic £125, The PS3 £249
Thats £833, really we should be deducting the TV price, because I don’t know many people who don’t have a Flat screen HD tv nowadays.
A gaming rig of high quality playing crysis is going to set you back approx. £500-600, I would know i have one…
Your 22″ monitor, of which I have 1080p costs £160, Your speakers, if we are directly comparing 5.1 is gonna set you back £50.
Total is £760.
If we take away the price of the TV which is a staple in most homes the console set up has you beat.
I’m a console gamer, and I want everything the PC guys have. The high res, great graphics, all that tech stuff…but also community content in a console FPS – WOW!! Throwing knives, the nuke, ac-130 in mp, all that cool stuff existed for cod4 on pc, why not console too? …and being able to make changes to things like FOV – I want that! Proper console promod – I want it!! Gimme gimme gimme, I’ve got money falling out of my pockets – GIVE ME A BETTER CONSOLE!
Next gen better be worth it.
I’ve been a gamer for a very long time now and none of the current consoles beat the PC. That’s not to say they’re bad – they’re really good, just not as good.
A keyboard/mouse combination will always be superior to a joypad for FPS, the ability to scale the game depending on hardware is great and you know there are thousands – millions – of modders out there who will make a game run and run.
Sure, it costs more but it’s better, lasts longer and has games you just can’t do on a console. That’s your trade off.
“A keyboard/mouse combination will always be superior to a joypad for FPS”
True
There is noa rgument about this, a keyboard and mouse is better for FPS than a Gamepad.
So is a mouse in an RTS.
HOWEVER, a gamepad is far far superior in just about every other type of game, I guess that is why practically all the PC has is FPS and RTS games. On top of this, there are console FPS games that support usb keyboard and mouse input.
“Sure, it costs more but it’s better, lasts longer and has games you just can’t do on a console. That’s your trade off.”
“better” is hihgly subjective
“lasts longeR”
No, no no no no no, just no. A console has an average lifespan of 10 years, with NO upgrades, there is no way in hell you will get a PC that costs less than $500 to last 10 years and STILL play the latest games without any upgrades.
“and has games you just can’t do on a console”
The only thing that the console “cannot do” is ridiculously graphics-rich games like Crysis, which was admittedly horribly coded, requires a monster of a system, and dosen’t really have any gameplay elements that are not possible on a console, JUST the graphics.
I suppose if you are a graphics whore and value graphics over gameplay a $3000 rig is for you, but for any sane person….
The average lifespan all all past consoles has been about 5 years! My PC is 4 years old and still playing everything I throw at it very well… Not at the highest resolution possible.. But it’s still higher than I can possibly get an a console.
The current gen of consoles *may* indeed have a lifespan of 10 years, but I doubt it. I expect Microsoft to have a new console out before 2013 and Nintendo to have one out before the end of next year!.. Forcing fans to buy a new system.
I myself own a PC and Xbox360 FYI.. I mainly play music games and GTA IV on the Xbox.. My PC is for shooters/ RTS’s/ RPG’s/ Indie games/ mods/ etc
Cyber Akuma…..I am going to say one word that is going to refute the majority of the arguments you have made.
“Onlive”
Crysis on a Macbook air? Hell yeah.
1. There is nothing stopping onlive from working on a console as well.
2. If anything that makes consoles better, since now you get PC games AND console exclusives while a PC is stuck with PC games.
3. PC users LOVE to boast about quality over consoles, online is basically console video output quality.
4. 720p realtime videogaming streamed with less than a millisecond of lag? PFFFFT, i’ll believe it when I see it, even LAN systems connected to the same router sometimes can’t get that kinda speeds, for a simple ping.
So essentially what Akuma is saying is that consoles are better than PC’s unless you can afford a good PC. I am glad that I can.
Happy days.
“So essentially what Akuma is saying is that consoles are better than PC’s unless you can afford a good PC.”
Nope, that is completely not what I am saying at all, seems you have no reading comprehension.
Why would Onlive need to be made to work on consoles? The company has made their own “micro-console” which functions more like a modem than a console. If they are able to stream 1280×720 to PCs and TVs, then there is nothing stopping them from coming out with a service that supports 1920×1080. And as for exclusives, they are overrated. Viva Pinata for the 360? Your seriously supporting that?
Additionally, do you have nothing better to do with your time? You seem to responding to every Pro-PC comment here.
I’m going to throw my opinions into this whole PC vs console argument…
They both have their advantages, but you’re a complete fool if you think consoles are better than computers. Even going back to the days of
Atari, consoles have always been seen as the “kiddie” platforms to play games because of their severe limitations compared to PC’s. This mainly
has to do with the closed hardware configuration of consoles.
The major upside to a closed hardware configuration is that game developers can design a game specificially around that hardware as opposed to
having to make it scalable on a wide variety of different configurations. This allows for much greater performance, even on severely limited
hardware. The major downside, is that you can’t upgrade that hardware so that when a console is deemed “obsolete”, it must be replaced; and
backwards compatibility with consoles has always been a huge problem. Some games work with the newer hardware, some are buggy and have problems,
but they’re playable, and some aren’t supported at all for one reason or another. This problem doesn’t exist with PC’s. I can still install and
play SimTower on my top-of-the-line PC exactly like I did 10-15 years ago.
Another reason that consoles have never garnered much respect among PC gamers could be the controller itself. PC game veterans usually find the
joysticks and D-pads of console controllers to be awkward and inefficient compared to the precision of a good old-fashioned mouse and keyboard
setup. This is especially a problem for me in FPS’s. There’s obviously less buttons that can fit on a controller than are present on your
average keyboard, so console games have to be less complex (some would call this “dumbing-down”, but games can be simple without being dumbed-
down).
I doubt anyone will argue that Halo is a good example of a successful console game. Halo is incredibly simple in design to accomodate the
limitations of consoles, and it did very well because of it. When game developers try to adapt something as complicated as say, an RTS game to
consoles, they often fail miserably. Some developers have taken the smart approach and tried to design a new control scheme from the ground up
to work better with console limitations, but few have worked well. It is simply a genre that will never work as well as it does on a PC because it’s controls are too complicated.
The ability to pop a cartridge or CD into the console and be playing the game 10 seconds later, as opposed to waiting 10 minutes for it to
install, is a huge plus and makes it much better suited to social gatherings. However, having to wait (usually) much longer for a new level to load as opposed to PC’s tends to even things out a bit.
PC’s also have the previously mentioned benefit of being able to “mod” their games. I’ll be using Doom 3 as an example: If you’d like to be able to use your flashlight and a gun at the same time, there are mods for that. If you’d like to change the in-game sounds or models, there are mods for that. If you’d like to play a re-make of the original Doom, there is a mod for that. If you’d like to start the game with the chainsaw, open up your dev console and type “give weapon_chainsaw” and go crazy. If you’d like to get every weapon in the game as well as full health and armor, open up your dev console and type “give all”.
There is definetely room in the world for both consoles and PC’s, but there can be no argument that PC’s will ALWAYS be the superior platform.
I would like to add that the xbox 360 and ps3 is getting crysis or some other fps that uses the new crytek engine. So a console from 2005 can run an intense graphical game. It won’t beat out the best of the best of the PC’s but then again you paid more for one of the graphics cards in the pc than you would pay for a 360. That is the point. To run these games on PC’s in the ultra rich fashion it requires a lot of resources which can cost a couple of thousand dollars. It just isn’t worth it. I built my custom gaming pc to run Crysis when it came out and then I realised that there just isn’t enough good games to justify the expense. Most of the good games on PC are either eventually released on console or released at the same time (Bioshock). If the only difference is a slight resolution downgrade and not being able to tweek a few settings in the console then I am fine with that. BTW the saying that consoles are for kiddies is getting old as well. MIcrosoft and Sony are not Nintendo. Play God of War 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc and then tell me it is a kiddie console.
“BTW the saying that consoles are for kiddies is getting old as well. MIcrosoft and Sony are not Nintendo. Play God of War 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc and then tell me it is a kiddie console.”
Having a lot of blood and gore doesn’t make a game “mature”… Compelling storylines, interesting characters and dialogue, and intelligent design are what seperate kiddie games and adult games in my eyes. Having lots of blood and tits (i.e. God of War 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc.) just makes it seem more like it was made for adolescents than “mature” adults.
I enjoy Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and blood and tits as much as the next person; but not because they satisfy my “adult” side, but because they satisfy my hyperactive little adolescent side. HE’S the one who wants to see evil ninja’s hacked into pieces and huge explosions and hot babes with comically large boobs making suggestive poses at me. Ok, maybe my adult side wants to see that last one too, but I digress…
Saying that God of War or Ninja Gaiden are intended for the mature is just ridiculous. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 allows you to use it’s Sixaxis controls to play with the boobs of the female characters… Hilarious? You bet your ass! Mature? Not in the slightest…
“Having a lot of blood and gore doesn’t make a game “mature””
Because Valve’s games sure are bloodless romps through sunshine and lollypops land right?
Being violent in no way makes a game immature either.
“Compelling storylines, interesting characters and dialogue, and intelligent design are what seperate kiddie games and adult games in my eyes.”
….. and you are trying to argue that FPS games are better at this than say….. a JRPG?
Also, its funny how you are emphasising bloodless sotrytelling so much over gameplay, are you sure you woulden’t just prefer to watch a movie?
“I enjoy Ninja Gaiden, God of War…..HE’S the one who wants to see evil ninja’s hacked into pieces …..Ok, maybe my adult side wants to see that last one too, but I digress…”
Was there supposed to be a point in there somewhere? All you did was discredit your own argument.
“Saying that God of War or Ninja Gaiden are intended for the mature is just ridiculous. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 allows you to use it’s Sixaxis controls to play with the boobs of the female characters… Hilarious? You bet your ass! Mature? Not in the slightest…”
You heard it here folks:
Videogames are SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Hahahaha! You couldn’t have missed the point of my argument harder if you threw a dart at it blindfolded in the wrong direction and the point was on another continent altogether. Saying a console isn’t for kiddies because it has a couple of really bloody games doesn’t make any sense. Besides, the Wii has No More Heroes and MadWorld which are probably every bit as violent; but they don’t count because they’re on Nintendo right, and Nintendo is the REAL kiddie console right?
BTW, at NO point did I ever even mention Valve, so that first joke doesn’t make any sense?
Oh, and yes I DO prefer the story of just about any FPS to the story of just about any JRPG. JRPG stories are awful and are always full of whiny 12 year old kids with stupid haircuts having awkward sexual tension with eachother and trying to save the world from some gender-neutral bad guy who is only evil because he just is. As a matter of fact, JRPG’s are one of the most “kiddie” oriented genres out there. I could probably overlook all of this if they were at least a little fun though. There are a couple of exceptions: Earthbound was fantastic; Super Mario RPG is probably my favorite RPG of all time if you consider it a JRPG. FFXII, by comparison, was one of the most god-awful piles of trash I’ve ever had the misfortune of having played…
“Hey I like red”
“Well I like blue”
“…You’re an idiot!”
People bagging others for there preferences look stupid. You’re funny though. So keep going.
Don’t u guys get it, IW did this on purpose. Y go there all the work of adding all those features wen people were just gonna hack and do it them selfs, letting IW benfit on you guys. People think there hacks are hurting IW wen actually they dont care they got your money already from you just buying the game lol. IF you wanted to make a point, you shouldnt have bought the game, but some of you guys couldn’t resist lol. cheers
Who cares if you play on a $200 console, good for you. It’s the fact that many of the benefits of being a PC gamer don’t exist in MW2. PC gamers are pc gamers because they like the benefits and don’t mind the extra cost/work. What’s the point in paying for a game on the PC when you get less and have to pay more? Why take away core functionality of a game? Heck, the developer console and dedicated servers were in the game when made, especially since much of the code is already CoD4. It’s like saying “Here have this Ferrari, but you can only drive 50 mph max.” If you think dedicated servers, modding, and better graphics is pointless, then you’ll have a blast playing on your consoles.
I don’t think it’s as much IW’s fault as it is Activision/Blizzard’s. Look at Starcraft 2, there is not going to be any LAN play. This is all about trying to reduce piracy and cheating. However, it is only going to increase it. The music industry learned this lesson the same way. When they DRM’d their music, people just downloaded it for free. Now most music download services are DRM free. There will always be piracy, there is no stopping it. But the majority attempts to stop it only harm legitimate customers the most. Either by making using the product more difficult or crippling features to make it more controllable. Business have all the rights to do this, but you can give your opinion by not purchasing their product. And don’t pirate it because you feel cheated, it will only make it worse. It’s a vicious loop. (Of course Activision/Blizzard has no issues with money with WoW making millions a month.)
I think Chris summed it up pretty good. We have our preferences, but stop calling each other idiots.
My PC cost 3500.00 your cheap ass console cost like maybe 199.00 so get over your self when you are running you knowing less mouth about Y we PC Gamers want Dedi servers
……………….. so your entire argument on why PC gaming is better is “Because it cost me $3500 instead of $200″?
You need better debate skills.
I want all the good stuff PC guys have, but even more importantly I don’t want development on PC to dry up and only have games developed for consoles, because the lack of a credible fps control device on console means the games will be ‘dumbed-down’ to facilitate the poor control, ie there will be more aim-assist, bigger hitboxes, etc…and that’s not good (imo)…for instance I much preferred the feel of the cod4 weapons over the somewhat ‘cushioned’ feel of the guns in cod5&6. I hope that doesn’t get worse in the next installment of my favourite franchise, but I fear it will, simply because that’s where the money’s at. If somebody could just come up with a better control device it’d make things a lot better, and for the company that does there’ll be big rewards no doubt, although personally I can’t see what could be better than a mouse, so why not just allow mouses in console fps? There’s no reason why not, other than the fact that it trumps the controller in so many games, but that’s similar to the driving wheel…hmm…I want a mouse for my console…
Put this way console user’s if there was not any PC there would not be any console around and all the games you play on the xbox 360 or the PS3 are made by people who use’s PC so have respect for us on the PC’s… and yes i do have a xbox 360 and it not mod plus i use a keyboard and mouse on the xbox 360…
http://blog.jofftastic.co.uk/2007/11/xfps-sniper-xbox-360-keyboard-and-mouse-adapter/
If I’m completely honest, I do like my PC games. If you buy the same game on both 360 and PC, it’ll tend to be cheaper on PC. The ironic thing is that a lot of hardcore console gamers will brag on about the superior graphics/processor/control system/force-feedback codpiece of their chosen system without truly thinking through the logic.
A console is a computer. It may not be running windows vista, or have a dock interface, but in the end it’s the same exact thing. All the components are tested, developed and refined on computers and it is possible to implant one into a computer with only a moderate amount of work.
I am personally more focused towards PC due to the relative ease of adding custom content to games without getting banned for it. The flexibility rather than the actual initial gameplay experience is what attracts me to the PC medium. I do still play consoles too, but mostly just with mates whilst chilling out.
PC is superior compared to console regarding FPS games, for a few obvious reasons… Gameplay just differs already because of the controller vs mouse/kb and console gamers wouldnt be bothered on these changes simply because nothing changed for them.
So we dont care whether one system is cheaper than the other, we wouldnt care about the pricetag on the game, we dont even care about consoles.
Im hoping that there will be lots of cheaters, bots, hacks, trainers,mods, the lot and fuck up this game. ive already passed the single player and the spec ops bore me already…this release is just dreadfull
but yeah, great single player!!!
Well I enjoy playing on my 360/PS3. when it works.
I got more problems with my 360/PS3 than on my PC.
But im playing FPS on my PC because of better graphics and because of i can run everythin smoothly.
My consoles i use for Adventure/RPG´s
In some of your posts people are complaining about PC errors, i work as an software developer.
And i can say windows runs perfectly until the user is installing/using the computer.
99% of win errors is because of the user did something, installed something, or just messed up the OS.
But back to Topic.
Love that the developer tool is out. next stop is dedicated servers :D
No Offence but Matchmaking is the worse kind of BS ever.
Only the extreme console fanboys love that.
Im working on a modded CoD4 Dedicated server code, so hang tight
OOO ya i can upgrade my PC to beat the shit outta ur consoles without bying a whole new system!
nuff said
At more than what it costs to buy a console :P
lol, WTF are you arguing about guys?
it’s simple: FPS on consoles is like ladies football:
the field looks the same, its the same ball, same goals… but the play is sooo lame!
ergo: if you wanna shoot a dude in the face really really fast, and play like a pro –> buy the pc version. its the only true choice for a real man.
if you wanna play like a girl, and dont care that it takes you ages to aim at a target, then get a console to play FPS.
I read this whole thread…. I had no idea that we could actually get into a “pissing contest” about this.
To think that console vs. pc has brought out the child in all of us… “my dad is bigger than your dad” -or- “meet me at the monkeybars at recess”.
To bring this back to something akin to an intellectual conversation… I have been both a console, and pc gamer since the atari 2600, and when my hdd was the biggest available at 40MB.
Each system has it’s own advantages… Consoles have plenty of bang for the buck, and have been gaining ground on the pc however, the console will never be intended as a upgradable graphics and tasking monster.
Fans on pc like modding w/software, and console people tend to like instant go with no hassle… Just a difference of interests.
What i would love to see is a new online world that will allow both the console and pc to game together. Then we will have real gaming!!!!
One thing I want to know is: Where can I get a 360 for $200?
Actually I shouldn’t be saying that cos I got a PS3 free with my TV :D
One thing that i think almost everybody over looks is that consoles are becoming more and more like PC’s: The hardware is the same (minus the cell processor in the PS3), Internet browsing, Keyboard and mouse support, the list goes on and on.
This argument is sounding a lot like the less common Mac vs. PC argument they both have their upside but are both the same arrangement of hardware, just look at mobile phones, they are set up the same (cpu, ram, memory, etc.). The only difference is the way its used.
One thing I really hate is “Platform Exclusive Games”, it just doesn’t make sense, why go to all the trouble of making a game only to release it on one particular platform? Most game these days are ports of one version, sure it works for some games, but others not so much.
The idea of cross-platform gaming has been around since the console was internet-enabled but no devs have done it (mostly due to competition). It wouldn’t surprise me if when microsquish releases its next console, it will have the ability to play with windows gamers (although they will have to work on the overhead).
It is amazing how an article about the limitations of a PC game on a PC can draw in those that cannot imagine gaming without a console and turn this into a flame war about PC vs Console.
I don’t believe it is so wild to think that PC gamers should be able to discuss what THEY want on THEIR system. No one is debating whether XBOX or PS3 or Wii should have dedicated server, no PC gamer cares. The issue at hand is whether game production companies will continue to attempt to mold everyone into the same experience and ignore those that like the previous, proven system that has been for many PC games.
The positives of having dedicated servers are clear, real, and not for debate. This is evident by the countless people who agree. Where the real question lies is whether it is something you like or not. Dedicated servers offer:
* A chance to have a “community” with gamers that are not annoying and yet can challenge each other.
* Real control over the server by admins (which are not employed by IW or any other organization, but appointed by the owners). This includes the ability to boot, ban, or mute.
* The ability to leave without consequences if you do not like the server.
* Potential for better ping than what is offered in a P2P option.
* Mods that are not offered by the game developers (including maps and match types), all of which can revive the desire to play an older game.
Sure, consoles offer a lot for those that like the setup. It is perfect for gamers that do not want to wade through the lists of servers, want to easily select a match type and find active players, and do not care about mods. These setups exist for people that like it this way… why eliminate the pre-existing alternate setup of PCs and dedicated servers just for this subset of people? It already exists. If you want it, go get it. Why ignore the desires of a large section of consumers.
On a side note, making arguments for one or the other based on features like cost, specs, lifespan, and alternate uses of consoles and PCs is futile and reserved for fools. Let’s compare apples and oranges instead.
* Do consoles cost less than PCs for the required specs to play a given game, yes. Does anyone who purchases a PC to game use it solely for gaming, very rarely. No one can say that consoles can do a wider variety of tasks than a PC. There is more value in the cost of a PC than just the game play. Consoles were designed to play games and very simple multimedia tasks. Cost not comparable.
* Consoles may theoretically “last longer” than PCs, but yet again, consoles are not used in the variety of ways that PCs are used. You cannot simply compare the number of years a system survives. A proper comparison would be on the number of active hours at a given usage. No one has this number.
* Purchasing an inexpensive console is the same as purchasing a cheap computer. It is a hit and miss situation. If the manufacturer did well in a given model or version, everyone is happy and you have a great deal. If a version fails, no more is it such a great deal. Spend some time fighting to get the unit shipped and replaced. Hope the manufacture does it right this time and in a timely manner. If a failure in hardware occurs for PC users, the whole market doesn’t feel the effects.
I prefer PC gaming mostly (even running atop the Windows rubbish) for the KB & mouse interface, but dedicated servers are a real benefit too. If IW hadn’t gone to P2P, the gamers using aimbots on MW2 would already be banned and the multiplayer experience much better. Whenever I want to upgrade my system, I do it. I don’t have to wait on a console manufacturer to give me what they think I need. Good luck on the flame war guys!
*** Cyber Akuma, your reply goes below this line. This is a pro-PC comment and I know you can’t help yourself ***
Im sorry but I sorta agree with tux. I like console gaming but my Xbox broke. If i had an Xbox 360 right now then believe me, I wouldnt be posting this right now but I gotta say. Im kinda dissapointed with everything I just read. I downloaded Modern Warfare 2 for PC, knowing it was going to be a bitch to get working, I did it anyway. I cant play multiplayer obviously. I searched for a custom dev console for this game in hopes I could make something work. Instead I find a bunch of PC gamers pissed off at IW, and a bunch of console gamers pissed off at PC gamers, and for what reason I dont know why. People buy PCs for a reason. People buy consoles for a reason too. If someone doesnt want the hassle of worrying about system specs and requirments for games and stupid bullshit like that, theyll more than likely get a console. If one person wants the internet capabilities, different mods and such, theyll more than likely get a PC. Not to mention half of the people in the world already have a PC. Each platform has their different advantages, theres no reason to go bitching out other people cause they didnt get their way with their platform. I hate deviating off the topic but seriously people this was about the dev console, and last time i checked that has nothing to do with whether your a PC gamer or a console gamer. Call me what you will but its the truth.
30 fps? im so sorry for console gamers that have never and will never play at 120fps or more.. wait.. im so stupid.. they don’t even know what fps means.. probably first person shooter.. lol..
Kinda like stupid PC gamers who don’t realize that the human eye can’t see that kinda FPS anyway? Or that 99% of consumer monitors can’t refresh the screen at 120 FPS?
Sounds like a typical PC gamer fanboy who has more money and brains and just assumes more=better without even knowing WHY it would be better or if it makes a difference, you remind me of people who buy a HDTV then connect it with SD cables.
You have to admit that a higher refresh rate and FPS is much easier on the eyes. But then so is a higher resolution :)
Cyber Akuma,
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#How_many_frames_per_second_can_the_human_eye_see.3F
I think you should reconsider who just assumes more=better without even knowing why it would be better or if it makes a difference. You remind me of people who claim that the human eye can’t see 120fps without fully understanding the complexity of fps.
On a note that 99% of consumer monitors cannot refresh at 120fps, we are not discussing the average consumer. If someone has a PC that supports 120fps out and a monitor that supports it, then technically it is better than 30fps. It is clear that the human eye can distinguish better than 30fps; otherwise, they wouldn’t waste it in some theaters.
Stop trolling and go back to tantalizing your basic, confrontational needs to game on a console.