Here it comes: Best Buy ran a national Black Friday ad inviting the world to celebrate Thanksgiving and Eid Al-Adha, the Muslim festival of sacrifice. Fair enough, right? Happy Eid! Well, take a gander at the ad up there and brace yourself.
Look closely. You’ll probably miss the good will and wishes, they’re so innocuous.
So you’d think that a national retailer would be praised for trying to reach out to its Muslim visitors and you’d also think that since Black Friday comes around Thanksgiving, an ostensibly “conservative” holiday,” they’d be excused for not putting baby Jesus in the carriage Toad drives in Mario Kart Wii on the first page of its Black Friday ad.
Nope.
The s-storm brewing at Best Buy is going to overtake the news cycle in a few days. Here’s an example of the rhetoric:
Among my major purchases from BB over the years were a plasma big screen, a fridge and a laptop. No more. In 2006 you discontinued the use of ‘ Merry Christmas’ in your “holiday” messages.
Yet one of your ad inserts wishes your customers a happy “Eid Al Aldha” ( a Muslim goat throat slitting festivity) . Clearly the liberal/ PC culture in your corporate offices is biased against Christians and traditional American values. So, in 2009 I discontinue Best Buy. Good riddance.
Hello A m a z o n
- A proud patriotic Christian American.
While I’d be happier if they celebrated a real holiday like Festivus, can’t we give Best Buy a break? This is literally the first time I’ve ever seen any major retailer celebrate Eid, it’s a nice holiday for millions of Americans, and it’s nice for BB to note that yes, it is coming up soon. And let me assure you that next week’s flyer will probably include dancing angels, Moses riding a jet-ski, and What Would Jesus Buy HDTV buying tips.
Thoughts?
Huh.
Makes sense. Stop saying Christmas because you dont want to be associated with Jesus, and instead associate yourself with goat sacrifice. Truly noble.
I think ill go to best buy with a dead goat.
Not wanting to get all liberal up in this place, but I don’t think you’re being entirely accurate with a couple of things:
They stopped saying “Christmas” because of it’s association with Jesus? I mean, I guess that’s accurate in that many people aren’t Christian, so saying “Happy holidays” encompass it all without any tie-ins. Though, much like my second point, your wording seems to have an agenda.
To say Jesus is to Christmas what killing goats is to Eid is on par with me saying shooting black people is an American tradition. In a very loose sense it’s true, just not any legitimate real sense, and it’s a touch insulting to say so.
Stop with the hatin’, and happy Eid.
Go to hell.
I love that your rebuttal was so well thought-out and intelligent.
But seriously, what else are they supposed to say? How many holidays are around this time? (I personally don’t know many) but Christmastime you have..
Christmas
Kwanza
Hannukah
Yule
(many many others I don’t know)
It’d take at least a full page to acknowledge them without saying only ‘happy holidays.’
So this entire thing is ridiculous. The company doesn’t have an Anti-Christian or Anti-American agenda. They’re capitalists and love only money – religions and holidays matter not to them.
I agree with Navarr. Best Buy doesn’t really have time or the money to spend worrying what religions they may hurt. They don’t have time or money to create a page with sayings like:
‘Happy Kwanzaa’
‘Happy Hanukkah’
‘Merry Christmas’
‘Happy Yule’
They don’t really need to either. And really, how hard would it have been to think of something more creative then your rebuttal? Really? I thought humans evolved from moneys, not into apes.
You will. You will.
Congratulating non-Muslims on their festivals is like congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone or having illicit sexual relations and so on.
Whoever wishes someone a Merry Christmas exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah.
Khalid Bin Al-Walid:
LOVE the tolerance dude. Do us all a favor and go blow yourself and all your children up so you can burn in hell with Muhammad.
Khalid: Nice pose-as-a-extremist-muslim troll.
Dear All, this issue of goat and sheep slaughtering is not fair at all, how come not one have seen it the right way? why not one said this is a day where Muslims slaughter and offer the poor all over the hungry places the free meet , this scarify is tradition of Abraham the father of both Jewish and christian, why do you not get educated about the issue instead of just make it look from poor feeding day to goat slaughter day .
some respect to the truth wont harm i guess,
and by the way i am not a Moslem i am Jewish but i saw in poor places myself how much the poor love this day and i was shocked of the fact i never educated myself about it
see you there
To say that eid is celebrating sllitting a goat’s neck is like saying that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the sacrificial child who will grow up to be killed as a humn/demi god sacrifice. If you look at it from a certain perspective, they are celebrating the birth of a child to be raised to be killed. Crazy stuff, those Christians! By the way, it was a ram that was caught in the bushes when Abraham took Isaac (it was Isaac and NOT Ishamael that was taken for sacrifice) up Mount Moriah. The Muslims believe that Abraham travelled all the way to Mecca to do the sacrifice. That would have been impossible since the Bible says Abraham was in the land of Canaan (Israel). And, Mount Moriah is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The Muslims also say it was Ishmael who was nearly sacrificed, yet, the Bible, written down about 1,000 years before the Koran was written says it was Isaac. Both Islam and Christianity twist things around in perverse ways. But, we live in America and must toelrate all forms of stupidity whether it be Islam, Christianity or Scientology.
Not taking either side of the main debate, but a big -1 (-1K? Does that mean anything?) for the analogy. Stop with the hatin’, indeed.
From what I understand of this Eid, its more about giving food to the poor, than it is about the killing of the goat.
The goats that are sacrificed (which is usually just going down to the shop and buying meat) is converted to large quantities of meals and given to the poor.
+1
This is the problem with religion – being defensive about it all the time. In my experience, anytime someone is defensive its because they lack confidence in their beliefs. Which makes sense since there is no proof of god’s existence, you have to defend the myth.
+1
James, you say that like there is definitive evidence that God does not exist. At best you can claim you ‘think’ it is a myth but you can not state that as fact.
Chris, nope, you’re wrong. Eid is not about “giving to the poor”, etc. It is about sacrifice. I live in a Muslim country and the streets literally run with blood during this holiday. That is not an exaggeration. Yes, they give some of the meat to the poor…but it is all about sacrifice.
Todd, sorry mate but that’s a very naive statement. it’s not for people to prove something ‘doesn’t’ exist, but that it does. Because, something can never be proven to not exist.
Proving what exists is what brings humanity forward.
Of all the “Holidays” mentioned here, how many are Official Holidays so certified by the Govt??
Christmas is an American tradition, nothing with being a Christian, I know Saint Nick was just a man who gave gifts to children, thats why we give gifts on Christmas day, we got the idea from Saint Nick and made it our tradtion. Being Christian is the birth of Christ, Which one day everyone will know Christ is King, And those who dont accept Christ gift of salvation, will not spend eternity in Heaven but spend eternity in hell, why is it we can accept each others gifts , but we cant’t accept the Lords gift of Salvation? We obviously didnt come from a big bang, Darwan became a Christian before he died, if he truly believed what he said about the bif bang he wouldnt have accepted Jesus’s free gift. you decide but make sure you decide right because if I am right and your wrong, you will forever live in regret. Trust me I know some that do.
“Darwan became a Christian before he died” – wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#CITEREFMoore2005
Wow can we read the articles we post?
“Though he thought of religion as a tribal survival strategy, Darwin still believed that God was the ultimate lawgiver.”
John~Actually Santa Claus, St. Nick, et al, did NOT begin as an American tradition.
And, please, learn correct spelling, grammar & typing. It will make your arguments more cogent.
Why do fanatic Christians, like John, always think there is only ONE WAY to salvation?? There are many paths to God and as Quran states:”We’ve made you into different tribes and nations so you may get to know each other”. Isn’t that what is beautiful about our earth? Thank God! We are not homogeneous group – that would be extremely boring.
And Mark, sacrificing an animal on Eid is ALL ABOUT feeding the poor. Not sure which Muslim country you claim you lived in but I’ve never seen streets running with blood on Eid and I’ve lived in 7 different Muslim countries. Why do people feel a need to make things up? False claims are not something justified in ANY religion. I know Jesus didn’t support this kind of hatred base on falsehoods.
We are rapidly losing our superpower status as we are becoming ever more lazy and more ignorant. We have no right to expect to be a superpower when we don’t even realize the connection of our dominate religion to others.
The goat sacrifice comes from the Judaic tale in the bible that Muslims also believe. The festivity is less about sacrificing an animal than about sharing and giving.
Visiting turkey, the goat or (sometime the lamb) meat is either cooked and distributed or distributed as raw meat to neighbors and less fortunate people.
If anything, is very similar to our tradition of thanksgiving. I know there is an agenda to put a wedge between Muslims and Christians, but this agenda will further make us ignorant and will make us less powerful.
God bless you for your thoughtful comments!!!
It is fear stemming from ignorance that makes people make false claims and makes them feel superior to others. It is like fungus that grows in darkness and poisons everything around it. It is like a frog that lives in a well and thinks that is the world because it has never stepped outside of the well to know what else exits.
Douche Bag!!!!!
haha, love it!
Let me guess, the Wahabi Saudis must have made some much needed investment in Best Buy. As part of their typical Dawah(Islamization) they are making Best Buy spread the word.
Typical Saudis the ones who are funding terror with petro billions for the last 30 years and yet are our friends. Now increasingly run DC via their “friends”.
“Let me guess, the Wahabi Saudis must have made some much needed investment in Best Buy. As part of their typical Dawah(Islamization) they are making Best Buy spread the word.
Typical Saudis the ones who are funding terror with petro billions for the last 30 years and yet are our friends. Now increasingly run DC via their “friends”.”
It’s amazing how people read a couple of phrases like ‘Wahabbi’ and ‘Dawah’ from forums and think they know what they are talking about!
It is the US that has massively benefited from Saudi oil, pricing oil in dollars by keeping the ruling class in power. The lobby that the Saudis have in the US represent this elite, not ordinary Saudis. They have kept the lights on in the US for decades now. Does this make them good people? Not really, but then without the US they wouldn’t have been in the position they occupy now.
Until recently much of the ‘petrobillions’ directed to funding terror was at the behest of the US itself. Afghanistan being a particular case in point.
By the way Dave, I don’t like Wahabbism either, but at least I know what it actually is and why it exists. Like my Dad used to tell me – know what you’re talking about before you open your mouth.
Listen, I’m a Christian and take a huge offense at “Happy Holidays” during a traditionally Christmas holiday. However, I don’t appreciate many of the threads in this posting that seem so hateful, so, please think from your heart and not your emotions. Concerning Wardrox’s first reply, sorry to say, you are very wrong. During the “holidays” Best Buy is still saying “Happy Hanukkah” and “Kwanza” and “Eid…” and “Halloween”, but it is ONLY “Christmas” that they no longer mention. So, the argument that they are trying to “save money and time” is just silly and naive. For years before this they were having no problems with saying “Merry Christmas”. So, why did it start costing more money and taking more time to do so in 2006 and today? Hmm. Sounds pretty biased to me.
I no longer shop at BB.
Mark – great response.
To everyone else – The truth is mostly difficult to accept and so it is pushed out of our mind, like death or a miracle like birth and like the existence of God.
To all who don’t believe in God – take some time out alone and get into a park, look at the smallest of details like the grass or the wind, and decide who has created all of these things for us.
Gavin
I agree!! What is surprising to me is why such a hoopla is made about Christmas? In Muslim countries, Christmas is recognized along with Eid. I’ve seen Muslims dress up on Christmas day and visit their Christian neighbors and friends to wish them Merry Christmas. If Muslims recognize this symbolic day (symbolic because it is not the true birth day of Jesus) than why are we having such problems here?
As a muslim I have never been offended by seeing a business use ‘Merry Christmas’ as a greeting. I don’t know who it is offending, but I have never heard any other muslim expressing any kind of offence either.
If there are people out there complaining, then I suspect it would be down to personal agendas to boost visibility within some committee or other.
So Mark – Merry Christmas in advance :)
“They stopped saying “Christmas” because of it’s association with Jesus? I mean, I guess that’s accurate in that many people aren’t Christian”
Really? 80% of Americans call themselves Christian.
“To say Jesus is to Christmas what killing goats is to Eid is on par with me saying shooting black people is an American tradition.” And you claim that he has an agenda. Your agenda seems to be hating Christians, and America.
Hey dummy Jeasus IS TO Christmas above all else.
How about this? I’ll say that Jesus is to Christmas as Islamo scumbags are to cutting off the heads of all non Muslims. It’s the way they are wired. Read the Quran. To be a good Muslim you must kill all non believers. Right? Peace be to Allah and his child molesting prophet Mr. Mo-Mo.
BTW I’m drawing a really disturbing cartoon of Mohamad right now. Bet you towel heads are gonna get pissed.
“Read the Quran. To be a good Muslim you must kill all non believers”
Well you haven’t because you can’t find that in there. I suspect you have been *told* it is in there, but that’s easier than reading it yourself isn’t it?
“child molesting prophet”
Do you know where this comes from? Thought not – it’s from a something written 300 years after the fact. Some muslims accept these ‘hadith’ as fact as don’t. They’re debatable at best.
I will assume that you are a Christian – you do realise that as muslims say that ‘Allah’ is their name for the same god as Jews and Christians you are deriding your own god in that post, don’t you? You may not agree with how they worship, but they think that’s how YOUR god is to be worshipped. So I’ll say again – by deriding the concept and name ‘Allah’ you are deriding your own god. Have a lie down and think about this :)
“Bet you towel heads are gonna get pissed”
Ah there it is – you almost managed not to be racist, eh? Perhaps before there were many muslims in the US your forebears were busy beating on blacks and Jews on Saturday night and getting to church early on Sunday morning.
Yeah, that “Christ” part of Christmas really doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that the holiday is about the birth of Jesus. The only people offended by references to Jesus are those who fear moral standards or have a chip on their shoulders. And any store that wants me to spend my Christmas dollars on their merchandise could at least acknowledge Christmas.
Anyway, we’re celebrating a truly American holiday that should unite us all in our traditions without some holier-than-thou divisive diversity crap being shoved at us in a mailer. Muslims have lived in our country since the beginning and it is just now that Muslim Americans turned radical Islamists have to start running over people (NC) and shooting innocents for being infidels. It is up to the Muslims to start policing their own.
“Most” people are Christian in the US. 75% to be exact.
Well its like this, if the JESUS KILLERS and the followers of the PEDOPHILE PROPHET get their panties in a twist over Merry Christmas then screw them and let them jump on a barge back to the turd pools they came from….
Truly, yet another voice of the uneducated, the unthinking, dare I say “Liberal” mindset. Seroquel anyone?
no on is “hatin” you dumbass. this is America where we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and we say things like God Bless you and Merry Christmas bc the meaning behind Christmas is the birth of Jesus no matter what religion you are. So for Best buy to sit there and post such a rediculous ad saying whatever the hell they said in muslim is an outrage. you want to celebrate that shit then move to another coutnry. or do it in your own home. but best buy has lost more money from this than gained so who really loses in the end??????? dumb ass ppl like you taking up for these idiots make me sick to my stomache. so to end this bs muslim ad i will say good day and screw all that agree with it. oh and good luck to best buy hahahahahaha
The ‘goat sacrifice’ thing is a gross oversimplification, like saying Christmas is a consumer orgy. It misses the point.
But, as SF liberal as I am, I do agree with the disdain about Christmas vs. Eid. I mean, all the conservative talking point, “War on Christmas” bullshhh aside, it is a very valid point.
All the other vitriol however, that’s just ignorance and anger fueled nonsense.
Pro tip: Just say ‘Happy Holidays’ or don’t say anything at all.
I choose nothing at all then, thanks.
Good for us!
Well, it’s really like saying Thanksgiving is about a turkey sacrifice. Is slitting a throat worse than decapitation?
Happy Torture-And-Nail-Man-To-A-Tree-Day-Until-Dead-And-Risen Day!
I mean Easter.
Correction: Torture-And-Nail-God-To-A-Tree-Day-Until-Dead-And-Risen Day!
In Islam its torture and nail a prophet to a tree but saved by God before death day. That’s a nice version right? not that im degrading the christian version. but it kinda shows that Muslim DON’T bag on Christ right?
As an American from a Muslim family, I’d like to counter you liberals who claim eid is not about animal sacrifice. It is.
The entire point of the holiday is to celebrate the fact that Abraham was willing to kill his own son because Allah commanded it. Apparently, Allah changed his mind at the last second and had him kill a goat instead.
As a child growing up I witnessed the ritual sacrifice, the men in my family cutting up the animal and hanging its organs on nearby tree branches in our backyard. Shame on Best Buy for even acknowledging this barbaric ritual.
I’ll agree with you here. I lived in Morocco for 11 years growing up. Maybe some American Muslims do not sacrifice the goat themselves, but in an Arab country, each and every household buys a live goat and slits its throat as part of the festivities.
Comparing Thanksgiving to worshiping turkey slaughter is absurd: we don’t gather around the yard and behead the turkey as a family.
Unless all you all are a bunch of vegetarians or vegans, you are a bunch of hypocrites. Unless you don’t eat meat, you have no cause to call some one barbaric for slaughtering an animal and I don’t really care if they put the entrails in a tree. I have never personally prepared anything bigger than a fish, but I have relatives who butcher deer that they kill. You could easily make the case that it is morally superior to all the rest of us who let someone else do it for us.
How dare you call it barbaric- you have the mentality of last centuries colonialists(if not their tradition/belief “its barbaric”) in that case you forgot to say Thanksgiving is too.-you also apparently forgot how tasty a freshly killed goat or turkey is.
your clearly mistaken, as an American Muslim, it is not about that. God was testing Abraham, as he tested all His other Messengers including Jesus, Mohammed, etc. When God saw that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, and son agreed, God told him he passed the test and brought a goat instead. No need to spread your bigotry and racism.
Actually, it was a Ram that God provided. Genesis 22. The ironic thing is, Abraham’s sacrifice of Isaac is a type of God’s sacrifice of his son, Jesus (who Islam, sadly, does not recognize as the son of God), the person Christmas is all about.
Morons of the World –
every 2150 years the sun moves from one constellation to another. When The sun moved from Taurus to Aries they sacrificed a bull, then Sun moved from Aries to Pisces they sacrificed the Ram … Jesus supposedly came at start of age of Pisces so we use Fish as symbol for not only Jesus (I think his disciples were fishermen) but also Hindu got Vitthal.
in about a hundred years the sun moves to age of Aquarius. Relax all these symbols are just ancient Astrological symbolism. The ignorant are those who take it literally and think there is a magical super being aka God.
wake up before radical Islam destroys the west … once we finish off the Muslim menace, we can peacefully discuss religion politics philosophy etc without bloodshed
I do not think you have the right to claim you are a Muslim and you lie, you are something else, first of all the quran say that day slaughter and feed the hungry and the needy, so it is a day about the scarify to feed the hungry and give the poor, second no muslim will say god changed his mind last second, for any basic ignorant muslim knows god did not mean for Abraham to KILL his son it was love testing from start, god is not a moody creation like us. so the poor love that day and i do not see as well how is that really deference than slaughtering that take place all over the word witch sounds like only roots of race color and maybe religions is what move people now days over truth and humanity and care and by the way i am NOT a Muslim as well but very educated enough
you actually think people are so dumb that they will believe that you are a muslim. Everything you wrote stinks of a muslim hating christian.
Sean, once again you liberals have it wrong, and your advice proves that you’re the ones that lack tolerance. I will continue to say “Merry Christmas” because that’s what I celebrate. I don’t care what others celebrate. Whatever celebration you want to participate in……GO AHEAD! That’s TRUE tolerance. But do not try to deny my right to celebrate Christmas. Anyone who celebrates anything else should be proud and happy to do so. It is amazing that Christmas is the only holiday that has become politically incorrect. So, for those of you who are truly tolerant of others and their beliefs, and do not want to spread hate and discontent, I wish you all a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
For every anti-BB post, I’m going to spend $1 there…
Don’t temp me Jay – You may be spending more than you can afford!!! LOL :)
Yoink, is totally correct.
A little lesson for us all:
Genesis 22:
12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
14And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
See, the issue to me is not recognition of this Muslim holiday as it is the non-recognition of Thanksgiving or Christmas. Thanks giving was giving thanks to the God of Abraham, the same God who came in the flesh as Jesus Christ.
See, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, even this Muslim celebration (had not heard of it before) are all very much related. The three major “religions” have Abraham in common.
Orthodox Jews deny that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, they are still waiting on his first coming. (Messianic Jews do trust Jesus Christ as Saviour)
Muslims do not deny that Jesus Christ existed, they just think he was a prophet. They are confused on the “trinity” concept. They think it’s three gods.
Christians, are all about Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross and that He was the only born son of God. Meaning, the only one that literally had God as a Father. Jesus, He was sinless and yet took on everyone’s sins. He is the way, the truth, and the life. No man gets to God but through Him. He is God’s Word (the Bible) in the flesh, God’s love to mankind.
Those early Americans would have never took the journey to the New World if they lacked faith in Jesus. Thanksgiving is a very American holiday. It was the giving of thanks by the early Americans. Without their faith in God, their desire to preach about Jesus as they wanted, we’d have never had America today.
Be thankful, for at least that.
Son of God makes 2 Gods – that is contradiction in terms if Christianity is to be a monotheistic religion. No?
I’m not sure why some of us Christians are upset about a festival that is related to killing goats, when thanksgiving is a holiday where a significant part of the celebration is about killing and eating a turkey, and a few people complain that communion is gross because it’s about drinking blood. Come on!
Dont forget the murdering the natives part.
well, also Christianity’s most revered symbol is a human sacrifice – christ on the cross and often with blood dripping down. There’s one in every church, no one seems to mind that.
Every human is good, however, not all their ideas, and their upbringings are right. It is hard not to be cruel if you need to keep an animal for a few days, and then kill it. That can explain some anger, cruelty of this world.
If you do not like America, build a better Google than Americans did, or a better Microsoft or Apple.
Minor tweaking of upbringing can solve all these madness.
Every human is good? FAIL
Sounds like the crazy Vikings fan that tried to sacrifice a goat for Farve playing in MN was a bit early…
( In case you didn’t hear about that… http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/dpgo_Brett_Favre_Goat_Spared_From_Sacrifice_mb_08252009_3159478 )
$379.99 for a for a 32″ ? that’s not a $152 savings! They should be ashamed! Maybe BB can start selling cheaper goats.
Did anyone actually read the Wikipedia article linked to in the article about Eid al-Adha? People are so quick to jump to ignorant conclusions about other religions. Why don’t you so called Christians look up Genesis 22:1-13 in the Christian bible while you are at it. Unless you are too intellectually lazy. Pathetic.
Dude,
Genesis is part of the Pentetuech (sp?) — the five books written by Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Leviticus). That means it’s also part of the Jewish bible too, not just the Christian bible. Shame on you for your religious insensitivity!!! :)
LOL, finally someone with a sense of humor and the point.
There is so much overlap between our religions that it is ludicrous to take such ignorant exclusionary views. Instead take the actual teachings that are the common thread of these religions and practice tolerance, love, and respect for others… and learn from ideas of self-sacrifice that are found in them all.
So let’s see, that meat you eat, be it red meat or the turkey in Thanks Giving, just killed itself so you can eat it. Stop it, all human festivities have something to do with food and therefore with some live stock or poultry meeting their early demise.
Your problem is not with the traditions, but with Muslims. Say it.
Actually I’m a jew in case you think I’m a muslim, but I guess your love to my people is only marginally more than your love to Muslims.
lol, well i am a Muslim and i’m going to say this to a Jewish person….. I agree with you it not the traditions ( now the end of the world will happen and there will be no animal sacrificing) jk
love the comment about the love
Sure I’ll say it.. My problem is DEFINITELY with Muslims!! They have the entire Middle East to be Muslim in.. Go there!!
awww aren’t you a cute little bigot
Whoo for a tolerant America
Yay for this country we call a melting pot
(I’m sure the Native Americans said the same thing about Europeans when they came over and… you know…)
A Muslim:
Is that a threat? It doesn’t surprise me. You’re the most intolerant people and religion this world has ever seen. Love how you scream tolerance all while practicing a religion that commands killing those who disagree with you. Have fun burning in hell with Muhammad and all the rest of your terrorist murdering Muslim friends.
what side of Islam do you hate i will list the main teachings of it as best i know, tell me which part will send them to hell, and if so what part will not send you as well
quran say be nice to your neighbor, feed up to your seventh neighbor, protect the oppressed and stand against oppression, sponsor the orphans, lend with no interest, do not get drunk, no drugs, do not steel, do not kill unless justly you should for you are a killer, care for the parents, give charity to poor, get married and forsake adultery.
no idol worshiping. respect all prophets and godly men and beleive in all religions and books revealed for humanity(100,025) they beleive in them. no gambling, no cheating, no lie, respect older people, behave well and help humans, allof this in quran and i can show and proof each one of them, so many more endless of the high code of ethics and tolerance, and with all honesty some times it surpass my own book so which part exactly do you hate?? and will send them to hell??? at least i w ill say for myself i was very blinded and ignorant and i mixed Islam with junk Muslims as Christians also mixed the cross with killing the kids in Bosnia and in the truth Jesus was never a kid killer, till now we have serials kid killers claim god told them to do so , if this defines Christianity, we are doomed
I’m sure that it’s debatable, but I’m pretty sure more killing and war has been justified in the name of Christianity over the centuries that any other religion.
If you want to learn about intolerance, check out how Christianity was imposed in Goa in India. Clue – it involved Christians priests burning the locals alive.
“…practicing a religion that commands killing those who disagree with you…”
Again you can’t substantiate this, but I doubt that this worries you. The hate that you claim is in others seems to be your main driver.
And where’s the threat? This delusion is the new Red Under The Bed for the coming 50 years.
Helloooooooooooooooo,every body.Are you guys okay?????????????????……Take it eeeeeeeeeeasy.
Stop all this non sense, and all of you go,
to a place, has no us, no you ,nor your neighbor ,or any mankind like you. We not understanding your languages, but we feel sorry for asking you to go….
Oh…Can you stop please ?? I forget to ask you !
Do you know what is a HUMANBEING????????
WOW! $397 for 32 HDTV!
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I think the main point is being missed here…
Why do most shops add Christmas messages to their marketing during Christmas? Because they’re religious somehow? No… to sell more. The above ad is nothing more than trying to sell more by hitting a demographic. This whole thread that follows is OTT, with all kinds of nasty comments coming out. It’s just business.
+1. The loudest wheel get the oil. It’s hard to get the typical everyday moron to realize and comprehend the truth.
I suggest you keep your racism to yourself because our “goat sacrifice” is given to the poor.
unlike you fat Americans that just eat a whole turkey on thanksgiving!
PLEASE research what you going to say about people before you say it.
Thats one more bad quality about YOU Americans, you make fun of everything/anything and then fake laugh!
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE LIKE THAT, BUT THERE’S A HIGH PERCENTAGE.
One would suppose that you don’t have to shop live and eat side by side with Americans whom you are decrying. But with that being said, are you a citizen here? Have you applied for a green card or visa to live and work here in the United States? If so, why?
If we are so bad why do so many strive valiantly to come here and start new and often successful lives?
If you do not like things as they are, work harder attempt a positive change. But do NOT EVER FORGET that the rights you are either temporarily enjoying by way of a visa/work permit or as a (citizen and if you are an American citizen then you have forgotten your pledge when you became one)were won on the backs, shoulders and by the blood of untold true Americans before you. Respect at least that or please return home to a place you are happier. Unless of course there was a reason you left that garden of Eden perhaps?
FAIL. You assume that anybody who comments is in the U.S. and, as usual, you assume everybody wants to live in the U.S.
Web is international, not American. Get over yourself.
And the rights enjoyed by Americans were won not only on the backs, shoulders, and blood of untold “true” Americans but also on the REAL Americans displaced and murdered by those “true” Americans, not to mention the slaves brought and exploited by those “true” Americans. Woo, be proud. Yay!
This Eid commemorate the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac as an act of obedience to God…I think something a good Christian would know and appreciate…So bring your dead goat and you might honor the religion you “know” and hold so dear.
So it is great to celebrate the big turkey throat slitting holiday but not the great goat throat slitting ceremony.
isn’t it all about slitting and eating this month?
someone pass the tofu.
Are you anti – Muslim or pro-goat ?
As opposed to going to Best Buy with a dead criminal nailed to a tree?
Remember, ugly stereotyping cut both ways.
Those of you ranting and raving over this really need to look up what the holiday means. It has absolutely nothing to do with a “goat throat slitting festivity”. I guess people like to put half the information up to see where the half wits will take it.
And where did all the comments about religion come in? Thanksgiving isn’t a religious holiday (at least I would hope G-d wouldn’t condone what was done to native Americans).
Ya’ll need to get a life and stop hating on everyone who might be different than you.
I am appalled by the hatred many of you feel. Maybe you need a lesson in history or patriotism. Protestants used to be considered evil, as has Jews, as have many other Ethnic and racial groups….is this the new trend now? To be a muslim hater? For those of you who claim Muslims hate Christians, etc….why on Earth would we? And then why would be live in a country that is predominantly Christian? Our religion respects Christianity and actually has many similar beliefs.
Also…the goat issue is a symbol. I don’t know what muslim country has streets that “run with blood” on Eid. That’s ridiculous. I’m clearly a muslim and we use this holiday as a time to donate food for the poor…..whether or not that’s what it’s supposed to symbolize, I don’t know. But in reality, that’s what this holiday means….to feed the poor. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with humanity (which clearly, many of you do).
I will also give a dollar to any retailer that does not tolerate discrimination of any kind–including religious discrimination toward muslims. I support Best Buy for standing by their statement and not letting violent, hate-filled people change a peaceful tone.
For all those who only know half the truth: Yes Eid Al-Ahda is based on the Biblical event of Abraham sacrificeing his son as told by God. Now the muslim tradition is to sacrifce an animals and feast and dotante food to the poor and needy. This is one of the muslim holidays that I as a Christian can get behind. My family and I have joined with my church and we are trying to help a needy family during Christmas.
However what I cannot get behind is that Best Buy is taking advantage the fact that this festival falls close enough to Thanksgiving and Christmas for them think that is worth spending the money. Because the muslim calender is on a lunar calender this holiday will move over the years and there for it will migrate away from this time of the year and I bet my paycheck that you won’t catch BB running a ad solely based on a muslim holiday, there is someone in the advertising dept. praying to keep his job and wishing he/she had gone with another idea.
If we must convert to PC America then why not simply say happy holidays and let each culture make its own interpretation. Paint it in black and white and I will add the colors myself.
Wowzers! You’ve hit right on the nail right there my dear friend!!! This ad is not about Eid, it about green. I’ve already finished my Eid shopping so this ad is a day late and a dollar short for me.
I think it is a great idea to take a dead goat to Best Buy, Eid!! Make sure it is Halal (kosher) and do specify to which poor segment of society you want the meat distributed – maybe choose poor Christians, or homeless, or disabled, or generally the down trotten. As it is Muslim communities already give large donations, in meat, clothes, food, money, shelter, to the less off of our society – independent of what religion they follow.
I send greetings to Muslims around the world celebrating Eid al-Adha, the Festival of Sacrifice.
Eid al-Adha commemorates Abraham’s devotion to God, and it reminds us of God’s mercy and provision for his people. Abraham’s deep faith wastested when God asked him to sacrifice his son. Although Abraham was set to faithfully obey, God provided an alternate sacrifice that spared his son. During this holiday, Muslims around the world honor Abraham’s trust in God and celebrate God’s love through acts of charity and joyous feasts with family, friends, and others in their
community.
My family and I send our best wishes for ablessed holiday.
Dont know about you guys, but the christian racist who wrote the article is right. Best Buy should continue with American traditions, with the help of the last president has become complete ignorance of the fastest (soon to be largest) religion in the world. They should of followed the tradition of ignorance and selfishness, what we’re they thinking?….stupid!
You are obviously ignorant beyond any sort of human capacity for ignorance if this is what you honestly believe.
This atheist wants it all banned.
You want all references to religion banned? You might want to think that one through better sparky.
Athiests are just as bad as religious zealots IMO. Both need to stop pushing their views on people. Until either group can show me enough evidence – beyond their bullshit propaganda – they can take take their canned statements and door-to-door tactics elsewhere.
You were proselytized by an atheist? What did they do, knock on your door and ask if you wanted to talk about nothing?
Seriously, when was the last time you had an atheist pushing their views on you? Most of the examples I’ve heard run along the lines of atheists saying “I’m not cool with you pushing your religion on me.”
Amen.
Actually they tend to be far more douchebaggy than you imply.
For example, some people discussing how God saved them from such and such. Rather than polite smiles and nods, I’ve seen atheists use that as a segue into a rant on fairy tales and spaghetti monsters.
I’ve also seen groups of atheists have hour long circle jerks of loudly discrediting various religious thought. That’s the same communal self-reinforcement that religious people value so deeply, the idea that they’re not alone in the world and have people who share their deepest beliefs.
When they suggest that what I stand for is incorrect.
I won’t stand there and tell them they are going to hell but they have the nerve to tell me God doesn’t exist and yet can’t show proof. I will admit I can’t show proof he does or doesn’t and the fact is no one can. I believe in God and that’s it. If it’s wrong for us to evangelize, then it is wrong for them to do THE SAME. They don’t evangilise?? Oh Really?
http://unitedcor.org/
As a Christian, I actually get fed up with Athiests arguing with me over my faith. Yes it does happen routinely, primarily with people trying to cram “The God Delusion” down my throat. Most often it comes about because someone sees me wearing my small wooden cross around my neck. It’s far from shoved in anyones face, it’s extremely subtle and most of the time hidden by whatever t-shirt I’m wearing.
I don’t try and cram my faith down theirs so why should I have to put up with them trying to push their lack of faith down mine? Particularly when it’s the same barely thought our rhetoric, demonstrating that they suffer from the very same thing they accuse me of: Believing something just because that’s what they were told.
Actually, yes I have. I’ve been told I’m stupfd for believing I’m not the highest life form in the universe. I’ve been told I’m childish for believing in fairy tales. I’ve been told it’s MY FAULT that religious zealots are killing people (including people that share their beliefs).
So yes, I have been proseletized (and demeaned) for my beliefs. And yes, I do agree that we should all get along and I am willing to do so as soon as I am allowed to have MY constitutional rights to freely practice MY faith without being marginalized by people of other faiths, including atheism (which is still based on a BELIEF system – no one truly KNOWS for sure)
Apparently you aren’t aware of this: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/21/new.york.subway.ads/index.html
If buying an advertisement to sell your “views” isn’t propaganda, I don’t know what is.
The best people are like myself : agnostic.
We admit we don’t know. We’re not smug like atheists (who I feel act smugger than Christians). We’re not pushing our “message” down people’s throats. I think everybody is secretly a closet agnostic – none of us know the existance of God – you can only have faith (knowledge of God would mean faith isn’t required).
If you want to see how obnoxious atheists are, just join any forum online that talks about religion – sure enough a bunch of atheists join in with their insults and smug attitude.
Actually many atheists are tiresomely persistant about raising their own beliefs.
A typical opening is to make a ‘humourous’ comment disparaging a faith and wait for a bite. Anyone with the slightest inclination towards a faith, is dismissed as not understanding science.
Seriously you guys are often as bad as religious fanatics. If you’re not willing to read religious texts, please stop asking me to read your books on why there is no god!
+1 on that one. I’m an agnostic myself but in my opinion many athiests are just as bad as religious people.
Its all the advertising that bothers me. when you become a cult, you might as well call yourself a religion, pushing your agenda on to others.
It’s called “being human”. There are douchebag atheists who feel that they need to convert the world, just like there are douchebag christians/muslims/agnostics/jews/buddhists/etc.
Most people don’t feel the need to cram religion down everyone else’s throat. Most people don’t really announce their religion in anyway at all. So all we have to go off is the people we associate with and the ones who vocally announce themselves in the most douchebag way possible.
Therefore, as an atheist, I tend not to get into religious discussions. I know a few other atheists in my group of friends and family because it’s popped up and it’s something we can relate on, so we discussed it. Naturally, I have a high sense of atheists due to this.
However, most Christians I know come in the form of knocking on my door or people who vocally express their disdain at my beliefs when it arises. Therefore, my knowledge of Christians is that they’re annoying as all hell and it would be easy to typecast all Christians as such. I don’t, because to do so would be acting off a terrible sample. But a surprising number of people seem to do this anyway.
As an atheist, I stay out of the religious debates.
It is all the same what people believe in personally.
On the other hand, I also expect people to keep their religion out of anything non-religious. Such as educational choices, healthcare issues, science.
It is one thing to have a personal relationship with ones god, spiritual being, chakra, and such. It is completely different thing to try and force other people to participate in your personal faith via the society.
well, just as bad, but much more sober. atheists cannot rationalize a magical man born without sperm who lives in the sky.
I respect Penn’s (from Penn and Teller) opinion on the subject of proselytizing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM
Well worth a watch for anyone interested on the topic.
banned? really? you are not an atheist.
This atheist doesn’t care. Why do you? It’s not a government institution.
^^ THIS is the sticking point, and the only on-topic post on this whole page.
The separation of church and state does not apply to private institutions.
Best Buy is neither owned nor ran by a governmental entity; they can do and say what they please.
Maybe by this time next year they will be a government owned/run entity and this discussion may be continued.
You are correct, and I’m justified in not making my purchases at that establishment. I was planning a fairly large Christmas gift list that would have meant several thousands of US Dollars that I will now spend elsewhere, and Best Buy can go fish. That’s the best way for me to let them know my feelings. It’s the only way to get their attention.
Agreed… Give em a break.
What is the saying? “You can only please half the people some of the time and some of the people, half of the time?”
Folks need to take a moment, pull their heads out of their *** and realize that we all live on the same planet. Just because you are a “- A proud patriotic Christian American” doesn’t mean everyone else is. Besides God, if you believe in such things, is too big to fit into one religion. =)
Peace, Love, Happiness to all!
VailGeek
My experience is that most people’s “God” is as big as they are.
By the way…I am a Christian American and proud of it too….but I just don’t care! IT’S A SALE AD THAT WILL BE IN THE TRASH NEXT WEEK!
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
— Abraham Lincoln
bob marley said it first, not abe
Lol
Idiot.
All I can say is thanks for bringing this to my attention. Will not be buying my 52 and 46 inch XBRs from them. Thanks again.
I’m atheist, but I don’t think it should all be banned or anything. I don’t think anyone should be offended just because their holiday doesn’t get credit, I’m sorry but there are a LOT of holidays.
I’m happy with the usual “Happy Holidays” message, though I take no offense to a “Merry X-Mas” or anything.
I try to be as open and everything as I can, and would hope for the same in return from the religions. This year, for example, My fiance and I are celebrating Jewish holidays, just for fun. Next year I’m thinking something more warm, Kwanza(sp?) or something of the like, see how that goes.
It’s mainly about culture for me though, again, atheist. I just personally prefer being happy overall, and I always found that choosing a single religion got in the way of that overall goal.
One movie that actually got the idea down pretty well for me, and I suggest watching it, it’s great even if you’re not into religion, is Dogma.
More on topic, I say if BB wants to say Happy Eid, let them. I don’t freak out at the restauraunt that serves veal because I don’t believe in veal(tortured baby cow – thanks, south park), I simply don’t eat it. If you don’t celebrate Eid, then just ignore the caption, it really doesn’t affect you.
Dogma is even better if you have seen the errors of your traditional Catholic upbringing. It is so much better if you understand all of the Catholic references and aren’t so uptight that you can’t laugh out loud, hysterically at their absurdity.
Folks feel free not to shop at BB, means they won’t be out-of-stock when I get my lazy agnostic butt of the couch at the last second, so I too can participate in this neo-Christian, uber-commerical insanity called whatever the hell you want it to be called. I just hope my wife buys me a Wii.
+1
A big FUCK YOU to Best Buy. Thanksgiving is an AMERICAN holiday. It’s not Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any of the other religious holidays.
It is a holiday that ALL Americans can enjoy.
Please get the fuck out of my country if you don’t want to celebrate it.
Kill yourself.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/thanksgiving/
Yes, because it’s much better to celebrate an American tradition of earning the native’s trust to later, more easily betray and kill them, than to celebrate a Muslim holiday of self-sacrifice.
A-men to that.
- Brought to you by a WICCAN, NATIVE, and NATURAL AMERICAN -
Wow…a Wiccan.
When I translate into American that means poseur.
Hey Navarr, I have Native background as well, there’s no issues with Thanksgiving with me. My direct ancestors fought each other in Central Virginia, then, eventually made peace… and here I am.
Yes, I have no qualms with it. It is an American holiday. The people were thankful they made it across that large ocean we call the Atlantic.
Thank God, we have many more things to be concerned with. Many lost souls.
Right…lets celebrate how the Native Americans helped us survive just so we could massacre them later. Yep, truly American.
It’s all a bunch of B.S. Happy Holiday’s is fine…way to go for reaching out to others as well.
Sorry Navarr, there are no native Americans, your people walked across the Bering Land Bridge and f*cked the native inhabitants out of their land too. Welcome to the club.
That doesn’t square with “whitey’s the bad guy” civics though, so it’s a No Go.
got it right
Yay, let’s just keep living in the past!! Let’s keep all those hatreds alive!
History is history people, move the F on!
As for me, I’ll be quite content and happy not being burdened by anything that someone else did to someone else. The moment is the only thing you *ever* have and you only have one life to live it.
In America, if a belief that you hold isn’t grounded in liberty and justice for all (i.e. equal treatment regardless of belief), it is not a patriotic belief. There are a great deal of self-professed “patriots” who have entirely glossed over this very simple fact of American life and history.
Telling other Americans to “get the fuck out of” the country because they don’t want to celebrate something is just unpatriotic. They have the right to not celebrate just as you have the right to celebrate.
Just do not tolerate the intolerance.
Just do not tolerate the intolerance.
+ Infinity
I work for a BB, and am a christian and this doesn’t offend me at all to be honest. Some Christians take this stuff to far, and I don’t get it. Eh who cares really, if people don’t wanna shop at BB because of this, then they don’t have to. There are other options out there.
Yes they do. Some Christians seem to forget that we are not to be the judge…..God is.
In my mind there is no “politcally correct” boundaries that Best Buy crossed- everyone should have the freedom of speach to celebrate any holiday they want.
From a business perspective- how stupid! In U.S., Best Buy’s largest market and where this ad was released, the number of Christians is far greater than number of Muslims. Why discontinue “Merry Christmas” ads while starting a “Eid Al-Adha” camepaign?
I’m more concerned about why Christians should give a shit about this? Shouldn’t they mind their own fucking business?
And the award for the most ignorant comment is . . .
Could you not have just said something polite? Seems to me that this is blown way out of proportion. Eid is not a huge gift giving Holiday. To me this whole thing just shows Best Buy’s ignorance more than anything.
I also think that this whole conversation has gotten way out of hand. Hating an entire religion for idiotic zealots isn’t real smart, but neither is debating whether a consumer retail store should have written something in their advertisement.
thanksgiving isnt a gift giving holiday either but they mentioned it. i think thats actually pretty cool. its falls on black friday and they said something. theres a rift between muslims and americans i think. and this is best buys way of pushing that rift a little closer together. well BB only cares about ingratiating muslims so they’ll shop there but either way im sure this means more to the muslims than anyone. well it seems to mean more to the dumbasses out there who seem to think that by wishing happy Eid to those who celebrate it must be a personal attack on their beliefs. it has nothing to do with you…. just smile and nod and pretend you know what youre talking about… i promise you will be ok. btw just act like the agnostics…. we dont try to shove anything down anyones throat
Maybe if fewer people minded the their own “fucking business”, Hassan would have been stopped.
This add only makes sense because Eid happens to fall on the exact same day as Black Friday this year. A coincidence that they chose to acknowledge. Give em a break. I give them props for reaching out.
Excellent point JoJo. People should have better things to worry about!
The Retarded Islamic calendar doesn’t even cover 365.25ish days that the Sun takes to revolve the sun so your years are smaller than other calendars.
Wait a minute you guys believe that the sun takes Allah’s permission to rise in the East …
Do some research before you spout nonsense.
The Islamic calendar is a lunar one, not a solar one.
And it makes sense when people use it, as they still do.
dont be ignorant. the traditional judaic calendar also follows the lunar cycle.
Why are there so many idiots in this Earth..I’m taking the next rocket to the moon..
on Earth*
+1
+1 …. best buy is the go to store.
Be sure to buy their awesome HDMI cables. Best Buy cables #1 go to store in USA.
I agree. Why it is bothering “Anti-Islam” that BB mentioned Eid El-Adha?
If you are studying marketing or business, first thing you study is “You should know your customers” -regardless their believe or color.
For those whom are angry and upsets get over yourself we don’t need more hate, let every one live the way he/she want and express/advertise the way they want. Stop being ignorant and full of hate.
Why this is bothering you so much if you don’t care? Just ignore it -if you don’t care- or you don’t support BB.
i support any business to reach their customers with any kind of mean. And if religion is one of them, so they should celebrate all kind of Religious Holidays fro Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindu….etc.
and for those ignorants, fact but shocking -if you don;t know-, this is not your own world, if you don’t like it, so leave it, find another place -if you can.
Because if you are “pro-Islam” you will no longer have a free Market or free economy or freedom to criticize or free internet to posts comments
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Name one progressive free Muslim nation where you can quit Islam to another religion.
Thanks,
Your friendly neighborhood vitriol spewing fear-monger right wing nutjob
Fortunately, there’s no subjugation of women in Christianity.
Oh, wait.
I Timothy 2:11-14
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
I Corinthians 11:8-9 KJV
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
I Corinthians 11:4-7
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
I Corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
None of that “b-but the Old Testament was changed when Jesus came along!” because all these quotes are from the New Testament.
Please tell me what parts of the Bible, particularly the New Testament, it’s okay to ignore.
Um Adam B., who says there’s anything wrong with a woman being in submission to her husband. I’m certainly in subjection to mine. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. We all have our roles to fulfill and being in subjection to someone doesn’t mean you’re less than them. You’re also conveniently forgetting the rest of Ephesians 5…
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Besides this, none of these verses are saying that the husband is a “dictator” over the wife. There are an ample number of examples of how a husband is to love his wife…nothing about treating her like a slave or a 2nd class citizen OR having multiple wives. Please show me where Muslim women are given the same treatment. Seriously, compare the two. Don’t just throw out these quotes because you hate Christians. Share your bigotry equally among all religions.
Reality: I assume this means you believe women should be forced to keep completely silent in church. There’s no equivocation in the verse about that.
What about teaching? Should women not be allowed to teach? Again, no equivocation.
And no, I’m not defending Islam, I’m merely pointing out that Christianity isn’t blameless. I just happen to know more about Christianity as I was raised pretty orthodox.
Adam B: I do believe women are to be silent in the church. If you read it in context (I hate that saying but it applies) with other scripture, you will see there is no example of women leading during worship. I believe women can sing but not lead singing, not preach or lead public prayer. And yes, women can teach, but only to those men who are not baptized or to children. Women in our congregation teach the young children and the young women. Is there a problem with that? I don’t think there is and again, I don’t think it is in any way demeaning to women. Like I said before, we all have our roles to fulfill and one role is no more important than another. Unfortunately our society has brainwashed women into believing that “being in subjection to your husband” is somehow equal to slavery. It’s not. Traditional women’s roles are not respected anymore. Read Proverbs 31. Talk about a liberated woman…but she’s still a godly woman in subjection to her husband. Women today tend to want to BE men instead of being a partner to men as God intended it.
Actually there are also many quranic verses specifying women’s rights and the need to treat women well. In Islam as in Christianity it is normally men who like to corrupt those rights.
You have a narrow view of the world, ‘Reality’, where you assumed every muslim woman is oppressed and unhappy. Perhaps it’s the TV channels you watch?
Throughout the muslim world there are successful women doctors, lawyers, businesswomen, homemakers and professionals in just about every sphere of life.
There were a women executive heads-of-state in Islamic countries starting 20 years before the US could bear to elect someone who wasn’t white and male – in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Turkey. Women are very active in politics many muslim states around the world.
Not every muslim country is Saudia Arabia or Somalia. I would suggest you broaden your world view, but I expect you have no wish to do so.
I think the ad bothered that “anti-Islam” jerk because he doesn’t want to be reminded that there are Muslims in America and that they have the right to be here, too.
For so many Christians, the attitude is this: “Freedom of religion means the freedom to shove our beliefs down everyone else’s throat and pretend other religions don’t exist.”
I agree Ali. Those “Anti-Islam” believes the Earth is only for them. It’s like those White idiots American who are so angry because they have a Black president -which he is way much smarter then the ones before, something they didn’t used to it-.
Again if these -reality- bugs you just find another place to live in it with people like you.
Advice… Before you go attack Islam, try to understand what is Islam first and then judge.
If you start to judge Islam based on people so i can say, your country is too dangerous for any one want to visit/live because there are people like you who hates for no reason and they can be life threat.
this is the world we live in now… WHO MADE IT THIS WAY? Psycho Idiots Like the Obama Crowd that do not believe in God … who want to take away our religion and insert their own… Just like they did in china and russia … take away your God.. Take your money… have you lose your own morals …. its taken them decades to gain this power … BUT WHO LET THEM?! We need to take back our country and say no more of their garbage
Jump off a bridge.
@Ray Ray Angel
Why would you want to do that to the poor bridge? All the negative news coverage it’ll receive b/c of one “baby ruth” floating in the gene pool decided to jump of it.
Mr rayray angel? I think you might need some anger management. Take a deep breath and quit all that hating.
Your thoughtful argument is compelling.
Really? Psycho for not believing in God? This whole conversation is psycho, I personally dont give a shit what BB puts on their ads and I am a firm believer in keeping religion at home. But will their ad stop me from buying something I want, no. All this talk about taking our country back is making me sick. I dont believe in religion at all and think it only divides us more as a people, and this story tells that tale better then I can.
+1
Dad, I left your pills near the fridge and there’s some pot pie in the oven. DON’T BURN IT THIS TIME! I’m not making you another one.
HockeyGuy, I totally agree with you.
me too
Who let “Joe the plumber” or “Rush the blue pill Limpbow” in?
I think this guy is in the wrong place.
hear, hear!
The Obama “crowd” did this? This guy is hilarious. By the way Russian people think all Americans are silly and ignorant like you. It’s sad that the rest of the world hates us because of your kind of thinking. It’s a stereotype I wish we could break… if anything Obama is making the US look better in the world after Bush… but anyway, I just think it’s strange BB would do that at all…
“The Russian people think all Americans are silly and ignorant like you.”? Who cares what that dissipated pack of gangsters, pimps, whores and junkies think? Just kidding Russian people – please don’t kill me.
You are an idiot. It is because of morons like you that a USA hating terrorist was elected in the first place.
Al, do me a favor, go grab your charcoal grill bring it inside and grill a few burgers in your bathroom with the door shut and the fan off. If you get tired just take a short nap.
Snapped, that was clever. You are a moron.
Having studied Islam, I cannot understand why any American would accept this from Best Buy. Folks who say “let’s be friends” have no idea who what your dealing with. No matter what your religion, if you an American, be aware of what Islam represents. It’s spelled out in their religious writings. Please, educate yourselves before you jump on the feel-good bandwagon…
this is truth!
Why don’t you go read the Jewish Bible and the Avesta.
If your American beware of all people who come on a boat and act nice at first don’t try to help them survive, don’t go to any feast and damn sure don’t take any blankets from them.
Better yet ask the people on the boat what happen to the Celts and Britons.
Having read and studied the bible (actually several versions) I have to recommended that you do the same thing. The bible and the koran are about neck and neck when it comes to violence in pursuit of the blessing of nothing.
you sound like someone who will buy sarah palin’s book and prejean’s book at walmart all the while your job is being outsourced and your health insurance cut by the corporation that buy the same elected officials you vote for every election. you sir are the real american idiot.
You sound like the person who elected a Kenyan President who studied as a Muslim in Indonesia, probably cheats his way through law school, (transfers to Columbia just before graduation), reads from teleprompter, based on a book he wrote, and based on calling women pigs.
and later appoints pro-jihadists as his advisers, delays troop movement to Afghanistan, does not decree the Ft Hood shootings as a terror act, gets the GITMO prisoners a civilian trial, sells off more tax payer money to the Wall street sharks, and now wants to ration your health care and is playing robin hood to convert America into a socialist state.
How American enlightened are you Chontzy ?
And you sound like a racist and a bigot.
He’s an American – you’re saying Kenyan, because you can’t bring yourself to say ‘black’.
He has never been a muslim, but having lived around the world has a better understanding how America can deal with other countries.
All senior politicians use teleprompters – they don’t write their own speeches.
“…calling women pigs…” – yeah right.
As for the rest I’ll just take the “rationing healthcare bit”. It’s already rationed by a cuddly insurance company that loves you and will always behave fairly, because they’re not in it for the money.
Your nick, ‘Shrini’ gives it away I think. Being descended from South Asians myself I know that the most bigotted people in the world are from that region. I’m guessing Gujarat or the southern India for you.
As for being ‘American’, if you really are then you are the worst of everything the world sees as an American. As an Indian you will be the first to abandon it when better opportunities appear elsewhere in the world. You’ll keep your passport though, just to facilitate travel.
Yes, I am psycho for not believing in a giant invisible spaceman.
What does it mean when your government dis-allows the use of “Merry Christmas” and allows a Muslim Holiday without question…? This is a direction of destruction for the American way of life. And ironically this is done in the best interest of money, which says, and I quote, “In God We Trust.” For those who are pushing for equality like VailGeek, why is one banned and another OK? The ad should be able to read, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Eid Al Aldha, and so many others. That would be true equality, freedom of speech, and cultural awareness.
The government is a secular institution that has no place in religious affairs at all, and does not “dis-allow” the use of references to any holiday outside of its own operational sphere, as it should be.
Wouldn’t be so fun to live in America if the government supported a religion that didn’t happen to be yours, would it?
It does, and it is. My children are indoctrinated early in school, learning that to say Christmas is bad, not accepted. America was built on religious ideas and ideology regardless of the fine print you reference. We began open armed to all religions and people. We once were American’s, not [Country-of-Origin]-American’s. We are losing America. Will you stand up for America?
Have you ever attended a public school? Do your kids actually go to a public school. The only people who believe that crap are those who teach in and run religous schools. They spread these lies to justify the expense of their sub standard educations they offer.
The comments you just stated are not true. Name one public school that tells its students not to say Christmas. One. Name it. Give contact info for the principal.
This constitution and Declaration of Independence were written by Enlightenment era radicals. They were not particularly religous, and vehemently against superstition and ignorance. You would do well to learn from them.
Indoctrinated in what? Tolerance? Accepting that there are people that are different than you? I am sorry, but this sort of neo-con rhetoric is really what is damaging to the United States. By the way, the only “Americans” are the native tribes…I wonder what they would have to say about your comments.
You need to take another history class. America’s idea of freedom of religion meant different types of Christians. You have no idea what it is like to actually be in the minority. Saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas is not the end of the world. That is called progression. Finally, businesses are acknowledging other religions and holiday’s as well.
And don’t shoot any of your lies and propaganda at me. I’m a soldier, ready to defend your idiotic, hate breeding belief system.
shane
there is no such thing as a “native american” even the INDIANS traveled here !
I the product of northern european imigrants am just as much a “native american as anyone who was born in this country!
Teddy roosevelt said (and its true) there is no room in america for hyphenated americans!
african, aisian, mexican, etc YOU ARE ALL AMERICAN! (unless of course you hold dual citezan ship) so get over yourselves!
(sorry for poor spelling I payed more attention in history class than spelling)
@Shane – The natives could not and would not have built the America you see and live today. Accept that first.
While it does not justify the native’s oppression/annhilation – but then the conquistadors were in a hurry as they were scared of these Muslim Marauders re-invading Spain and Portugal.
And Native american tribes migrated from Siberia only 10,000-12,000 years ago. They also do not own this land.
@ alex
If thats the case how are you European.
Your people left Africa like everybody else, they went out through Egypt up around Iraq settled in Iran, Pakistan and India then bout a thousand years later walked over to Bulgaria axed a couple Neanderthals yall split up started making yall way all over the place settled in Germany then terrorize everybody else for the next few hundred years and then took over the british isles, denmark, sweden, norway, parts of france.
If were secular why do we have a National Cathedral.
Why are presidents sworn in on a Bible why not Harry Potter or The Cat In The Hat.
Why In God We Trust on currency; why not In Faith We Trust.
This is an example of how ignorant some of my fellow Christians are. At no point has the government EVER disallowed a private businessman or company from using the words “Merry Christmas” in their advertising. I’ve been raised in Pentecostal churches, and I’ve seen some good and bad preachers in my life. The bad preachers are the ones who can’t unite and excite their congregation without creating a phony enemy. In too many churches, they pass on the BS belief that Christianity is under attack by the government and the liberals, gays, and atheists/muslims. Its too inconvenient to tell them the truth: Christianity is under attack by materialism, just like all other spirtitualities. But then again, I’m almost positive that 70% plus of my fellow parishoners are materialistic assholes. Wouldn’t want to point it out to them.
Well said JP Kab, well said! About time someone actually admitted to the underlying problem instead of finding scape goats.
+1
You are so right and then some.
Wow. The government is “dis-allowing” the use of Merry Christmas?
Or you’re just spreading panic and right-wing conservative hysteria?
The ad can say all of those things. If Best Buy chooses to put them there. Nobody, including the government, is stopping them.
People get so worked up this time of the year, but the fact of the matter is, Best Buy’s sole consideration is getting people in the door. That’s all. Full stop. They are a business and they make business decisions. Stop letting it bother you. They’re just trying to make a buck.
Yet more arguments from those hyper-intolerants, the religious right. Our species will never achieve maturity until it realises just how ridiculous this whole “invisible friends” thing is.
This actually IS a relevant complaint. Instead of just removing ALL religious acknowledgments from its ads and being “Politically Correct”, Best Buy is effectively choosing and promoting one religion over another, or else choosing to remove only Christian religious acknowledgments. That’s all the quoted message is pointing out, and I agree with the sentiment there. The message has to remain consistent. If remove one subset of holiday acknowledgments, you have to remove them all.
What will you have to say when the ad that Best Buy releases following Black Friday is covered front-to-back with Christian-themed pictures and greetings?
It is pointed out that Eid falls ON THE SAME DAY as Black Friday. Best Buy is acknowledging this and has no reason nor obligation to bring attention to any holiday that does not EXACTLY COINCIDE with the day this ad refers to.
Are you angry the ad doesn’t say Happy Easter, Haloween, Veteran’s Day, etc…?
Everyone moaning about this not being politically correct but the day is called Black Friday.
This amuses me more than some ridiculous pagan sun worship wrapped up in “religion”.
I’m a Christian who doesn’t mind acknowledgments of America’s other religious groups, but this ad doesn’t strike me as “inclusive.” Instead, it seems like pandering – like a politician who throws out random “Good to see you, Bobby!” greetings at a local town hall.
Agree. It’s all calculated. Someone’s thinking the balance sheet will look better with more people who are grateful for the shout-out making an effort to shop at Best Buy than people who are offended boycotting. They’ll count their grackles this year, do some demographics, and decide whether to do it again.
A slight change in wording to “Happy Holidays” satisfies most, eh?
It’s what we use in our Christmas cards. Kinda covers the bases in a non-denominational way.
Really folks, whats the big deal? I mean what’s the problem with Best Buy acknowledging a Muslim holiday? Stop going crazy over the stupidest of things. I mean this country is MORE than just christians if you do by now. And plus, sometimes retailers NEED to show they care about their customers, muslim or not. So, to those who go all up-in-arms about retailers not focusing strictly on Christmas, please shut up. Christmas has been commercialized enough, give the other holidays a chance for some due alright? *Sighs loudly*
—Kevin Grussing
(http://www.twitter.com/NewBernsKevinG)
Either you are an idiot, or ignorant. If BestBuy don’t greet Christians for Christian holidays, they should not greet Muslims for Muslim holidays.
BestBuy can do whatever the heck they want.
It is a big Deal Kevin.
1) During the Cold war did America say Happy May Day for the Soviet Holiday?
2) If Merry Christmas or Happy Hannukah can be replaced by Happy holidays – how does that allow Happy Eid or Happy Diwali for that matter ??
PC (political Correctness) cannot work one way.
1) During the Cold war did America say Happy May Day for the Soviet Holiday?
Kill yourself, you bigot.
What makes you think I am a bigot. I know that Majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they are not in power and they are silent about everything going on. why don’t you call the American Soldiers fighting for you bigots too. Freedom is a very precious thing. I would rather die protecting it even if I am called a bigot.
It is true that all Muslims tacitly consider Western Civilization as decadent and want Sharia law imposed. It is happening in Western Europe and if we dont wake up it will happen in America too .
Who’s the bigot?
Islamic law says that saying “Merry Christmas” is a sin. And that it is the equivalent of congratulating a murderer.
@Shrini: “What makes you think I am a bigot”
Everything you are presenting here is a representation of the bigotted culture you come from.
It’s strange, some of the most open minded, worldy people I know come from India and at the same time, some of the most narrow minded, self serving bigots. I wonder what makes the difference.
@Indiana Gividen
“Islamic law says that saying “Merry Christmas” is a sin.”
No it doesn’t.
As was pointed out many times before, this is not “America” talking. It is a single secular corporation. They can do whatever they please in their marketing materials. Take a chill pill, people.
“…retailers NEED to show they care about their customers”
So they NEED to show similar greetings for their Christian customers, right?
sure… if they put out a flyer on december 25th
Thank you. I’m surprised at how many people are missing the point that this is a weekly flyer and Christmas isn’t for another 4 or 5 weeks…
While I would take issue with the mindset of “A proud patriotic Christian American”, the point that they raise is valid. Why would Best Buy discontinue Christmas language only to later reference a specific muslim holiday?
As a private corporation they are free to use whatever language they wish, however it is hypocritical and biased of them to discontinue references to one religious holiday only to replace it with another.
That said, I’d prefer no overt references to any religious holiday.
Best Buy are hypocrites. If you don’t use religious terms in greeting customers, don’t use any of the religious terms. What they do is FAVOR ISLAM over Christianity. I prefer if they avoid that altogether.
Not to mention that millions of Muslims worldwide will be praying for Jihad and the win of Alla over the infidels as part of the prayer.
You raised a valid point with your first paragraph, but then you exposed yourself as a stupid bigot in your second paragraph and lost all credibility.
Kill yourself, you moron.
first off – islamic law actually prohibits calling a jew or christian an infidel (wiki that shit) second off – jihad is not a war on non-muslims. and BB isn’t favoring islam… just being the first in america to recognize an islamic holiday without using the word fuck right before it. by the way do a small amount of research and you will realize how many more similarities than differences there are in islam, christianity, and judaism
What are you, insane? Have you ever read the Qur-an? It calls HUNDREDS of times – with no room for translation error- to kill the infidels and that ANYONE who is not a Muslim. Jihad is a direct call to mobilize the Ummah (Islam Nation) to conquer the Dar Al-Harb (land of war) defined as where Islamic ruling isn’t in tact. “Peace” in Islam can only be under the Ummah, and then its called Dar Al-Islam, the land of “Peace”. So many people don’t know that when Muslims leaders say, in English, that they want “Peace”, it means they want “Dar Al-Islam” which requires taking the rest of the world’s lands and subject them to the Sharia. Learn a little before posting clear lies.
Hey FrankMurphy, here is part of the prayer of Eid Al-Adha:
“…but Allah the Unique, He has fulfilled His Promise, and made Victorious His servant, and made Mighty His soldiers and defeated the confederates
There is no deity but Allah, He alone we worship, with sincere and exclusive devotion, even though the infidels hate it”.
So I understand you are a soldier, and want to defeat me, that’s fine – it also goes with your last sentence, which is exactly the command written in the Qur-An.
Pretty funny having one superstitious group trying to make fun of another superstitious group about their obviously untrue superstitions… if not for both groups doing evil things in the name of their superstitions it would be hilarious.
And who is this “the atheist” robert talks about who wants something banned? All the atheists I know don’t want anything banned, they just don’t want the government pushing these superstitions. And yeah, some of them ridicule others beliefs.
Apparently neither I nor my god are as insecure as you or your false gods.
Who cares.. honestly. People got to leave this alone already and stop complaining.
I do not care what BB or any other retailer put on their banner. The reason i would bay from them is not because of what religion they mention on their banners but because of how good their prices are or how good the customer service is.
In the end i refuse to buy anything from a place that has the Geeksquad in it. They are a bunch of buffoons.
Truer words were never spoken. +1
Am I missing something here?
What’s wrong with wishing someone a “Happy Eid al-Adha”?
I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving, however, if someone wished me a “Happy Thanksgiving” I wouldn’t be offended.
Nothings wrong with it.
The question is what’s wrong with saying “Merry Crhistmas?”
*Christmas*
Its the same thing as saying Merry Christmas and everyone getting pissed.
Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday but Christmas and Eid Al-Adha are.
Wasn’t Thanksgiving a holiday for giving thanks that they made it to the new world and survived if it wasn’t the Native Americans than who were they thanking ?
The origin of Thanksgiving and every holiday is based on the teachings of religion.
Religions teach you to honor parents, elders, earth/nature tell me one holiday that doesn’t fit in there in any way.
Everything is based upon religions
All laws are based on religion other wise where did the concept of not stealing, killing etc come from but there morals which in turn came from their religion.
Because Eid is religious and thanksgiving is NOT.
How about this – do you want people to celebrate 9/11? Guess what they already do in the Muslim world.
Political correctness cannot apply to one religion and not apply to another. Shame on Best Buy
Hey Shriniwas Kulkarni,
How come you’re so fervently anti-muslim? I’m guessing it has something to do with issues from your own part of the world.
Regardless of your personal biases, you are clearly a bigot… that’s unfortunate.
Good luck with your masters degree in CS as ASU — hopefully you can also learn a more open mind.
-Todd
shriniwas.kulkarni@asu.edu
shriniwas.k@gmail.com
First of all, I’m a Muslim and I can tell you that Eid-al-Adha is not about goat-slitting. Just like Easter isn’t about a bunny and Christmas isn’t about commercialism. Eid-al-Adha is about the spirit of sacrifice and is based on Abraham’s sacrifice to God which, ahem, any “proud patriotic Christian American” should be aware of and believe in too (since the story is also told in the Bible).
Because Muslims are asked to sacrifice an animal and distribute its meat to family, friends and THE POOR, sometimes it’s the only day the poor get a decent meal in a lot of Muslim countries.
That said, I agree with Doug. If they want to wish Happy Eid, let them. It doesn’t affect you. Do you see Muslims complaining about Merry Christmas messages? No. And it would be ridiculous if we did because guess what, America is not a Muslim nation! It’s also not a Christian nation! It’s a wonderful country that brings so many different religions and cultures together so we can all learn from each other. So if you’d been sleeping under a rock this whole time, I think it’s time you woke up and realized that.
Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Eid and Merry Christmas everyone!
A Loving Muslim
Thanks, Shez, for the clarification.
The issue is that you can’t say Merry Christmas. Its getting erased but its ok to announce every other holiday and that is exclusionary.
I am fine with them saying Happy Eid Al-Adha but I am not ok with the hate that is thrown when someone says Merry Christmas.
People just need to settle down and understand that someone saying Happy Eid Al-Adha or Merry Christmas or Happy Chanukah is not trying to be a jerk but just wishing you well and take it as that rather than being a cock about it.
Who says “you can’t say Merry Christmas”? Where are people coming up with this bunk?
It’s not bunk but you are lazy. Because if you had taken the time to do a quick Google search you would know that Islamic religious leaders have stated that saying “Merry Christmas” is a sin, the equivalent of “conratulating a murderer”
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1202/291.html
Have you read it yourself?
The very first line says:
“A group of Toronto Muslims reacted with outrage yesterday after hearing that an Etobicoke mosque issued a warning to followers that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is like congratulating a murderer.”
And lo and behold, this is from a right wing Hindu website. A biased group at best.
I agree with you RedMonkey. It’s ridiculous to be offended when anyone wishes you “Happy [anything]“.
To answer your other point, I think Best Buy chose “Happy Holidays” before there’s a few holidays going on in the longer time frame of December. In this case Eid-al-Adha happens to be on the exact same date and hence the special mention.
Good comments, all. No where is it written that a private commercial entity cannot say “Merry Christmas”. They CHOOSE (this is American, after all) not to in order to be more encompassing and hopefully reach a broader audience.
Is that Right? Well, again, this is still America in spite of the efforts of the fear mongering right wing religio-fascists, and we are still alrgely able to say what they want. So technically, whether you agree or not is immaterial. It is their right, and one of the fundamental strengths of America. .
But is it right to spell out a Muslin holiday and refrain from spelling out a Christian holiday? I personally think it is stupid, as evidenced by the backlash of all the little minds it has upset. I have NO problem with anyone saying “Merry Christmas” as it is appropriate. I also have, as others have pointed out, no problem with anyone wishing me “Happy” anything. I appreciate their thoughts of goodwill, howsoever they may choose to vocalize them.
That’s what’s up. This is the first American commercial acknowledgement I’ve ever seen of a Muslim holiday in my 30 years of life, and I have to admit that it’s nice to see. Though, I do agree that all faiths should be greeted fairly and equally.
Shez, thx for your eloquent description of the significance of Eid al-Adha in Islam.
From a marketing perspective, it makes sense for them to highlight the fact that Eid al-Adha falls on the same day as Black Friday. Since on the holiday for Muslims many will be busy with prayers and spending time with family, Best Buy may fear losing the Muslim demographic on what is one of the biggest shopping days of the year. By sneaking a “Happy Eid” note on its ad, it’s a gentle reminder to us Muslims that… “hey we know you’re celebrating, but come in and do some shopping with us.”
Happy holidays to all.
America (as is) is not a Christian nation because our founders were decent people and visionaries who did not believe in the sharia culture of Arab nations. They could have well imbibed the bible and its teachings within the framework of our constitution.
America’s foundation is based on Christianity, its Christian founders and generations of Christian progeny. Don’t drag the excuse of what the constitution stands for to deny that America was and is fundamentally a Christian nation.
Please point out where in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation.
Actually, the founding fathers had the church-controlled societies of Europe in mind when they wrote the Constitution, not the “sharia culture of Arab nations.”
Kill yourself, bigot.
You are right – the founding fathers DID have the repressive church-controlled societies of Europe in mind, which is specifically why they did everything they could to create a separation of Church and State. The reference to the sharia culture is apt in that the European church societies of Europe were more similar to the sharia culture than they were different. The argument that “we are a Christian Nation” is ignorant and ignores everything about the founding of the USA in favor of the religio-fascist crappola being pitched at us by morally-self-centered conservative extremists.
The founding fathers recognized the power of religion as a set of universal communal rules that fostered growth in the absence of any other form of societal strictures. To extend that line of specious reasoning to mean they ONLY wanted Christianity would be to ignore what the Pilgrims were fleeing. If that is what you use for logic, then you would just as easily say that we are a nation based on slavery, and we have countermanded the wishes of our founding fathers by abolishing it. Stupid.
I love how people talk about “America” with such forceful ignorance. There is nothing sadder than people having strong passionate beliefs that are not founded in anything but conjecture and assumptions. Do your own objective personal research. Get some grounding in fact for things you believe so strongly.
Or are people just afraid to find out that their assumptions might actually be wrong…?
Love your explanation .
Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Eid and Merry Christmas everyone!
Why can’t we stop hating each other.
What are you people talking about?
The scripture in Eid al-Adha clearly celebrates Allah’s soldiers wins over the infidels, meaning the slaughter of non-Muslims by Muslims:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
Just read, and trust me – the translation in wikipedia subtle the even more brutal meaning.
Any Muslim reading the Qur-an is ordered to kill infidels hundreds of times during the reading. Just few examples:
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Wikipedia? You ignorant NERD. Next thing you will get Bible scriptures from http://www.kkk.org. WTF
Thing is right … if Muslims honour the fact that Abraham did not kill his son Isaac … then why do family members kill other (female) family members in “honour killings”.
If Abraham had had a daughter not a son, would honour killings exist?
OK you could argue that Isaac did not commit adultery or whatever poor lame excuse Muslims use to kill their own family.
They simply do not practice the BS that they “preach”. “Islam means peace” yeah and strawberry means grape.
You cannot just choose to bend the rules to kill your own family even when they step out of line.
Abe Lincoln: Honor killings are prohibited in Islam, where do you get your information????
http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/islam_and_honor_killings/
I also hope someone performs an animal sacrifice in Best Buy’s parking lot for Eid al-Adha. The family dog bleeding to death in front of their doors would be a nice start to the holiday buying rush, don’t you think?
Seriously, open up your mind a bit. How is Eid-al-Adha any different than Thanksgiving? You’re “killing” a turkey for that as opposed to a goat!
Thanksgiving is to thank the harvest. its close to nature and is a tradition not a religious festival.
Eid is to praise sacrifice of Abraham – it is inherently religious.
Thanksgiving actually is a religiously motivated holiday. You can read about it’s origins here:
http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/thanksgiving/intro.html
Abraham sacrificed a Ram (male Sheep) not a goat.
They should say all the major holidays or none at all.
Proud of them for reaching out to Muslims though.
wow… IDC
I agree… all of you arguing need to DIAF.
(wait, I think I also have now taken a side… where are my matches again?)
This makes me want to go out and sacrifice a turkey in the name of thanks.
And you know, goat can be pretty tasty.
Get over it people!
BB has a right to expression, just as it’s customers do.
From a market perspective, this is all self-correcting. BB isn’t in the business of making any particular religious group feel good – and I guarantee they’re not doing it for charitable reasons. They’re doing it because they think they’ll sell more stuff. And if a bunch of Muslims buy TVs because of this, they’ll do it next year. If they don’t and a bunch of people make a fuss they won’t.
How about that bunch of Muslims fund some friends of theirs in Pakistan who will be delighted to decapitate your infidel self.
Didnt you forget you are at war ? Would you be ok with Happy May Day or Hail Chairman Mao or Stalin in the cold war ?
We’re talking about a retail store. Take a deep breath. Open your mind and heart, and release all of that anger you’ve got pent up inside. Things are not as extreme as you currently believe.
This isn’t the Crusades, you stupid bigot.
Oh, yes, because you Hindus are all just so peace-loving and not prone to violence whatsoever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3229253/India-asked-to-investigate-Hindu-massacre-of-Christians.html
we’re not at war with islam… just iraq… please relax – happy Eid was not code for i love saddam
shrini you are such a dildo. are you a lund worshipping hindu. come worship my shiva lund that hangs between my legs dork.
thats all you should be worries about and not proliferate your 3rd world India pro-hindu religious beliefs here cause you guys hate moslems like the usa hates jews and moslems.
suck on my lund and we will call it a day.
Definitely political correctness gone wild if BB actually did eliminate “Merry Christmas” from all advertising. (I don’t watch their ads or really care, so I don’t know). But if a company eliminates references to Merry Christmas to avoid offending people but includes reference to an obscure Muslim celebration instead, that’s just absurd. The smart move would be all or none.
Maybe they’ll get criticized for, but I think it’s great. Even if we hate each other, we all should at least be able to come together around the holidays to celebrate good old-fashioned American consumerism.
And who wants to sell to racists anyway?
Religious and political subjects, best avoided on a tech site unless you want to start a war for nothing
” Of Fools and commoners”
You know what? Let those haters shop elsewhere. More for me when I go to shop at BB on Friday.
And Frankly, some of us “regular Christian Americans” do not care what holiday BB is marketing for, as long as it is cheap and affordable.
If the “A proud patriotic Christian American” wants, they can buy it from me for a markup. I will claim to be a “A proud patriotic Christian American” too if they will pay more.
The point is that Christmas and Eid Al-Adha are both religious holidays but its not ok to say Merry Christmas because that is offensive to some people but saying Happy Eid Al-Adha is ok.
They are both religious holidays, get it? Its not ok to discriminate against Christians anymore than any other religion but they are doing so here.
Best buy dramatically overestimated the intelligence of their audience, and they probably deserve to pay for it in both image and revenue.
50% of Americans don’t believe in evolution. 30% still think Saddam Houssein had something to do with 9/11. America is, by and large, a fundamentalist Christian country.
You don’t run ads that even mention a holiday celebrated by a hated religious minority. It’s stupid business. Yes, there are some Americans who don’t much care about religion or who realize that Muslims are just like anyone else (some are crazy, most are decent, some are saints, so to speak). But that’s not where most of America is at.
+1
Well said.
And 80% of people who make up statistics or regurgitate ones that they heard without using critical thinking.
I honestly can’t make any sense out of that post.
Happy Thanksgiving: The American turkey-throat-slitting festival.
Come on people, relax. :)
+ 1
Perhaps the point is that faith traditions and commercialism mix like oil and water.
It is odd that when many retailers have removed Christmas and replaced it with “Happy Holidays” and then Best Buy gives a specific shout out to a Muslim holiday.
What was the Marketing department at Best Buy thinking? We can debate whether or not it makes sense for people to be upset, but this is a dumb marketing move.
OK,
1) do we know this ad is real?
2) I had a muslim co-worker, and the last place he would be is at a Best Buy on a day of sacrifice. Ha!
Wow next you people will even like a Happy 9/11 next fall. Appeasing Muslims is the first step to dhimmi status. Any person in United States of America is American First .. then whatever religion creed ethnicity race. How can an American tradition be sacrificed for a goat slitting festival. America is at war with militant Islam. Pacifying the enemy should be the last thing on anyone’s marketing agenda.
Best Buy should not have crossed this line – at least in America. Shame on the marketing guys. Next you will sell Sharia Compliant TVs and computers that will censor anything that hurts Islam.. Before you know you will have “stone the adulterer” and “slit women who defy family” video games … good going… what next “Terror Simulators” ?
Call me paranoid, but small points like these will lead to doom … time will tell – trust me -
So you believe that ALL Muslims should be punished for the horrendous acts of a tiny percentage who are obviously misled and brain-washed? Does that honestly sound fair to you?
Well your so called “tolerant majority” tacitly allows this tiny minority to continue waging war against infidels in West and East. I know you definitely consider the Quran over the American constitution or any constitution for that matter. How much did you celebrate when the NYC towers fell?
And the Quran preaches violence against women and infidels. You should vociferously protest when infidels are beheaded or adulterers stoned .. why are you not doing that ? I dont see any mainstream Muslim come out and oppose it. That actually conforms that Muslims first consider them Muslims then whatever else.
You should remember that the Nazi inner circle that authorized the holocaust was a small minority, so was Stalin and his thugs who mass murdered millions of innocents.
Well your so called “tolerant majority” tacitly allowed this tiny minority to continue waging war against non-humans in the South. I know you definitely consider the Bible over the American constitution or any constitution for that matter. How much did you celebrate when the Oklahoma Building fell?
And the Bible preaches violence against women and sinners. You should vociferously protest when sinners are beheaded or adulterers stoned .. why are you not doing that ? I don’t see any mainstream Christian come out and oppose it. That actually conforms that Christians first consider themselves Christians then whatever else.
You should remember that the KKK inner circle that authorized the black holocaust was a small minority, who hung many innocents.
Fear mongering and profiling through loose correlations works both ways.
Muslims just like Christians or any other religion have their fringe “extremists”. To hang the acts of a few on the majority is all to common for some now a days.
Awesome reply Jaze. :)
I think FrankMurphy is right. No point arguing with someone whose mind is this closed off.
@Shez
Speaking about killing innocents can lead to relentless debate. The point is that Muslims make a convenient enemy, like it or not. and truth is that we are at war.
Go ask the soldiers braving it in Afghanistan. Fear mongering is different from real warning. Delve deep into the mind of a Muslim. They not only hate the west and east, they hate each other too. Once they take over the world, they wont stop short cutting each other’s throats. – Kurds vs Turks vs Arabs vs Bangla vs Malay vs Somali vs Chechen vs Uzbek vs Persian vs Moor.
@ Shez I am not religious I dont give 2 sh#ts about any stupid a$$ holy book. I am just adding the missing bigotry without which this discussion board could become boring
Best Buy has knocked the wrong door for cheap publicity.
One thing I’ve observed among all nutheads like Shrini here is that they have never had a single muslim friend in their lives..yet, they speak like know-alls..
“So you believe that ALL Muslims should be punished for the horrendous acts of a tiny percentage who are obviously misled and brain-washed? Does that honestly sound fair to you?”
No, not everyone should be punished, but Islam is the most dangerous cult in the world. And, glorifying this “religion” especially in a county like United States where things like 9/11 happened is not a great idea.
Trying to argue rationally with this person is like trying to teach a chimpanzee to play the piano. I wouldn’t waste my time.
Think of the children…
For heaven’s sake, stop being bigots. Muslims celebrate this event in commemoration of Abraham’s (recognized as prophet by Jews, Christians and Muslims alike) intent to sacrifice his son to fulfill God’s wish. May I remind to all patriotic Christians that this story is part of Bible, not to mention millions of poor souls benefit from this ritual as most of the meat is given away as charity.
“50% of Americans don’t believe in evolution. 30% still think Saddam Houssein had something to do with 9/11. America is, by and large, a fundamentalist Christian country.”
On that basis, I would have to say that America is, by and large, full of idiots.
Thanks for the heads up. I haven’t done any Christmas shopping yet but will NOT be purchasing at Best Buy.
Amazon, baby, I’ll be visiting you in a few days.
The beautiful part of all this “I’ll never shop at best Buy” nonsense is that you’re still pandering to a capitalist audience. Either way, they only want your dollars. Amazon is probably employed from floor to roof with Muslims, Jews, Christians, child molesters, wife beaters, fornicators and all sorts of ‘devilment’.
If any of you really want to send a message THEN DON’T BUY A SINGLE THING FOR CHRISTMAS (the Holidays) THIS YEAR.
Shame on Best Buy for thinking America was enlightened enough to actually live up to its creed of religious tolerance and freedom of expression. What WERE they thinking?
You mean like being able to say Merry Christmas without being attacked?
I think this is what Christians are upset about.
They feel like they aren’t being treated fairly.
Honestly, as a Christian, I was warned about this.
John 15:18-20
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.
The real issue is..how do you handle it? What is your reaction to be treated unfairly?
Who gives a damn? It’s their business, it’s their ad, they can say what they want, whether people like it or not. If you are someone who doesn’t like it, don’t friggin shop there!
Kudos to the BestBuy marketing team for finally figuring out how to get free viral marketing out of cheap 2 cent flyer!
Haha, that’s gotta be it. ;)
americans never cease to amaze as they continue to try as hard as possible to be seen as really ignorant, uninformed morons.
not obama, nor anyone else in american history, has taken god OUT of our country/political system. that was done by our founding fathers, to make sure this nation could be a nation of religious people, but not a nation of any religion. unfortunately, most people are too stupid to know anything about their own damn country. there have been a lot of people, however, that want god put into our political system in violation of the constitution. for those of you out there interested in that, go get some books on world history and read about how well that worked out in the past.
that said, does seem a bit strange for best buy to put a two-for-one ad like this out there. segment your marketing! not like you don’t have the budget.
+1- i love it when people say this country was founded on christian principles when it was actually founded on religious freedom
Disclosure: I’m not a relegious person, so the inclusion or exclusion of any particular relegion in marketing material doesn’t really bother me.
I think as a business, you should be free to recognize any relegion you so choose. There are “Christian Stores” or other businesses that are targeted at people of specific relegious groups and for the most part, I don’t hear people fussing about those. But yet if a major retailer, such as Best Buy, decides to stop including references to Christianity in it’s ads and instead makes references to, as the aritcle says, “Muslim Goat Throat Slitting”, then people are outraged. Why?
Do I agree, with “Muslim Goat Slitting”. No. Do I agree that Best Buy should have the right to recognize said holiday. Of course. If you don’t like it, shop somewhere else, that’s your right.
But, before you start boycotting every store that publically recognizes a relegion you don’t agree with, ask yourself this – would it matter if they hand’t made it public?
What if the CEO of WalMart was an Atheist? What if the VP of Chevron worshipped some Tentacle Alien God? Would you not shop those brands or stores as well? Or does it only offend you because they stopped saying “Christmas”? And if that’s the case, then ask yourself another question……what do you think the percentage of families are that actually celebrate Christmas as a relegious holiday vs the percentage of families who celebrate it as a time to buy crap and get crap?
Seriously, you’re talking about Black Friday: a “Corporate” holiday designed to sell people crap they don’t really need. All the while hoping someone else is out there on Black Friday buying stuff for YOU that you don’t need either. That covers a couple of the 7 sins at least, no? So it’s okay that the large majority of America is okay that the “Corporate Suits” haved turn a relegious holiday celebrating the birth of Christ into a absolutely insane frenzy of greed, envy, lust…. but Christians be damned if those same “Corporate Suits” stop saying the word “Christmas”. Ridiculous.
I agree with dude. I mean, this country was founded on Christian principles and the past decade they have been trying to wipe out anything to do with Christianity. This feels like discrimination! I have nothing against celebrating other holidays because America is so diverse, we have to! But don’t discriminate against us Christians!
actually, no it wasn’t. it was founded on principles of freedom and economic opportunity. nothing in its founding was “christian” other than references to god in the general sense.
do a little reading. our country was founded by a variety of christian sects that hardly got along with one another. i’m sure if the puritans had their way you’d be really stoked on our “christian values”.
@ Erik
America was founded on separation of Church and State – but that rule can’t be applied to Islam. Islam endorsed the Quran as the constitution – the bigger point is not about the US constitution or Christianness – its about appeasing Muslims who will then multiply en masse as they are doing in Europe and destroy the very free values you are fighting / standing up for…
You realize that Islam isn’t a country, right?
Might as well say that Christianity endorsed the Bible as the Constitution. It’s equally true (and false).
@Brooks – I think you are ignorant about the dangers of Islam … it indeed is one country from Indonesia to Morocco and they hold the Sharia as their law. So far no civilian government (even Turkey which has had a 75 year old govt) has survived the radicalized teaching of Islam.
There is a reign of terror fueled even more by oil money in Islamic countries.
go talk to any muslim- he/she will first keep the Quran before any constitution which is not the case with X-tians, Jews, Hindus, buddhists or Atheist. The nation state just exists in Muslim world for ethnic reasons. Their law-religion-jurisprudence is the same.
Brooks you are obviously confused or just running your keyboard blindly. Islamic law has been and “is” applied as a form of Gov’t, which in it’s purpose is Civil Control. A country by definition is a particular space or geographical region that exercises its own form of Gov’t. An institution of Laws designed to effectuate civilian and commercial interaction, obedience and compliance. What is interesting is that the Islamic world is working so hard to establish so many of their own countries within already existing ones. Indicating they don’t play nicely. The fact that it is applied with so heavy a hand (Islamic Law) would tell you something is WRONG with it, but that we’ll leave for another forum.
Regards
your point has nothing to do with this discussion. you fear islam/muslims. some of what you say is true, but beside the point. much can be said of evangelical christians. they want to make america a “christian nation”. america became a nation, in part, to get away from national religions. it is both sad and ironic that some people think we need to go back to that.
btw, i am a christian.
…..”Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness…..”
Who’s God and who’s the “Creator?” Tip: It’s not Young Frankenstein or Igor.
so is Turkey throat slitting is a “Christian” holiday?
+1
Seems like the number Christians in America is like 80x the number of Muslims. Why would they alienate the larger population. It’s a bad marketing move.
Can anyone tell me if you are even supposed to say Happy Eid al-Adha? More often than not, big corps screw these things up because they don’t check the proper phrasing, etc.
And i really could care less what a retailer says to me when I walk into the store or put in their advertisements. I see it as their feeble attempt to placate me and convince me that they are in the festive mood. plain and simple, they just want our money and will do whatever it takes. To be in the festive mood, how about we help the less fortunate, give to soldiers fighting for us, take care of the elderly and veterans and stop hating each other so much. I think that is what being a good christian, jew, muslim, hindu, buddhist, agnostic or athesit is all about.
FYI The Soldiers are fighting the same guys Best Buy is praising
We are not at war with Muslims, dumbass. We are war with insurgents (mostly different tribal groups that want us to get the hell out so they can fight over which tribe gets to rule the country) in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan (the same deal).
you know, at first, I was freaking aghast at the posters that were responding to bigots by telling them to kill themselves. I still don’t think that’s right, but after reading through this thread, I understand the frustration. People are so hateful! And no, the fact that some Muslims are hateful doesn’t excuse you (and you, and you, and you) for being hateful, too.
I’m going to go bang my head against the wall now. Jeez!
Shrini, shouldn’t you go join Shiv Sena and slaughter more Christians because they refuse to convert to your cow-worshipping religion? Why don’t you go enlist and fight the war you constantly babble about?
Your trying to defend your position with an ignorant comment on a matter you obviously know very little about. Muslims worship none but God. Just like you guys do. Instead of having your head up your TEEZ why don’t you read a book about the religion before you criticize it?
Most comments supporting BB miss the point of this — as usual. The issue at hand is not so much supporting a Muslim holiday (as a note, it still is practiced in most countries with an animal sacrifice — a 1 yr old, no less – where is the outrage PETA?) it’s the double standard that BB (and other advertisers) are practicing. If advertisers remove “Christmas” from adverts, that’s fine, but then don’t go all religious and suck up to a very small group (when compared to Christians and Jews in the US) to be all PC.
If they want to celebrate Eid (and they don’t, let’s be real), then they should also celebrate Christmas and other religious holidays that the vast majority of Americans celebrate. This is pandering, plain and simple, and dumb business, honestly.
People opposed to this aren’t racists – they are bringing up very valid point — BB is practicing a PC double-standard and they should just admit it.
I refuse to shop at BB because their service, and the product knowledge of their store staff is about on par with an an Irish Setter.
And where is PETA when Turkeys advertised as “young Turkey”? It is nothing but racist against Muslims. Jewish people sacrifice and PETA does not say anything. Every religion has their sacrifices but they only pick on Muslims because they know they are going to get a lot of support, recognition and media attention post 9/11.
Yes, this is because a certain sect of them are trying to kill us. That draws much attention and rightly so in my opinion.
If you found out you have a better chance of getting killed by a Christian drunk driver than a Muslim terrorist, would that make any difference to you?
@Loren The Christian Drunk driver will kill you coz he/she is drunk not because of your faith. Muslim terrorist will kill you because they want 72 virgins/whores at their pimp God’s heaven and that they have waged war a