Ahh Steve. You can always be depended on to serve up a healthy dose of crazy. It’s just fortunate that people put up with your own special brand of crazy that no other CEO could put up with. For example, at a company wide Town Hall, Steve Jobs had some very special things to say about Adobe and Google and their business practices.
Typically after each product launch Steve holds a company wide “Town Hall” meeting at corporate headquarters. These meetings give Steve a chance to talk to the employees, and also give employees a chance to ask questions (if they are brave enough). During the most recent meeting, Steve had a few choice things to say about Google and Adobe, and offered somewhat of an explanation about why the iPhone/iPod/iPad won’t support Flash.
On the subject of Google, Steve said that their avowed policy of “Do no Evil” is “bullshit.” He called the release of the Nexus phone a direct attack on the iPhone, and stated that he won’t let them win.
Google wasn’t the only target of Jobsian ire, Adobe took their lumps on the subject of Flash. Steve called Adobe lazy, and said that while they have the potential to do interesting things, they don’t. He said that the reason Apple doesn’t support Flash is because it’s so buggy, and whenever a Mac crashes it’s most likely because of Flash. Steve also predicted that it won’t be long before everyone leaves Flash behind as the standard moves forward to HTML5.
CEO not a fan of the competition, news at 11.
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he is officially lost it, gosh this guy is starting to freak me out with his conspiracy theories just because someone is doing good does not mean he is evil especially if that someone comes out with great products that make life a heck of a lot easier sorry jobs but im officially sick and tired of YOUR bull shit
@giovanni
Seriously, how many VP/ Officers/ CEO had BS us with their “kind-assuring words” ?? — Didn’t Matt Cutts BS alot of newbie web-publishers, to think that Google does no evil on their websites?”
Didn’t Carol Bartz try to BS us to say that “Yahoo was never a search engine?”
I could go on like this but the point is, you can’t always have the truth and its up to you to decide which is BS from Not. But don’t get me wrong here, what seems BS to you might not be for everybody, so to save yourself from flames… just keep those thoughts for yourself, for the meantime, until proofs have been foretold.
Any person in some point had BS us, one way or the other, and that’s the way how life goes, so if you can’t handle it, then you might as well, cover your ears from the media and stay away from technews such as this one.
And i’m telling you they’e plenty.
I gotta say that flash as a whole is definately not stable and alot of websites problems come from poorly written flash scripts so I would have to agree with him on that and there is no way a Android phone will ever be able to compete with the Iphone I have had both and trust me the android OS has alot of improvement especially with being open source but the ability of the newest versions of Android doesn’t even compare to what the iphone can do now. And there is no flash support for Android either so yah I do believe that Adobe is lazy.
Nexus one can do flash just fine…
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/nexus-one-previewed-with-flash-10-1-beta-careful-what-you-wish/
Wait… Apple can’t get Flash to work properly on their software and it’s Adobe that’s lazy?
I mean we know Flash is a bit shit but it works on Windows.
Abobe can’t get flash to work properly on anyone’s software. It works, but properly, nay. Hence the perception in quality.
I know it works a shitload better on Firefox under Windows 7 than it does on Safari under OS X on the same hardware.
Really, cause it works about as good as a pig in makeup running a beauty salon on 99.99% of the other PCs in the world, regardless of hardware, OS, etc.
Sorry I didn’t know you ran the other 99.99% of PCs.
Or did you just make that up?
If what Adobe says is true… that Apple refuses to cooperate to help make Flash run better on OSX, then Adobe should make it very public where Apple is refusing to cooperate .
Scaning the tons of hate-Flash comments in blog entries about the iPad this weekend, the recurring theme is how Flash sucks on the Mac. Adobe is saying it’s Apple’s fault….
Well, let’s see some proof, Adobe.
If Adobe doesn’t see this as war and get very serious about fighting back – then, well… strong survive – weak perish.
I do agree with is adobe statement. Very buggy on a mac. I was playing a flash game, “Fancy Pants 2″, I opened up my dashboard to check a couple of things and then closed it. The browser then crashed, then it told me the dashboard crashed and ever since then every-time you open up the dashboard you can hear flash game loading up and playing the music from the menu screen. Even though Fancy Pants 2 is closed etc you can hear the sound of the Newgrounds splash screen show up and then hear the theme music to FP2.. o.O Its the weirdest bug Ive ever seen/heard.
Deciding to engage in competition is not evil.
Walling off your platform from your competition by lying to the FCC, however…
Good job Steve. Absolutely correct. Adobe is lazy. Adobe have done nothing interesting for years. Same old same old, or buy someone else’s interesting things.
I am deadly tired of Flash crashing browsers and deadly tired of Google selling out to the Chinese government and being “evil”.
Not only does Steve Jobs have his finger on what people want to use, but he now has it on what people are thinking. Far from being crazy, Steve Jobs has voiced what many people have been desperate for someone to say. And here it is, AT LAST !!!!
Man, that kool-aid you’re drinking looks delicious!
I don’t think that by saying not to buy into Google’s “Do No Evil” shtick, Jobs is trying to say that they ARE evil. He probably means to emphasize that they are a for-profit company that will do what it takes to succeed in their market.
http://foryouredification.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/what-apple-stands-for/
He’s not actually wrong about Google, but it would be nice if Steve explained himself better:
Read this for why the iPad, whicj I otherise hate, is a great shot at fixing Chairman Steve’s Google problem:
http://answerguy.com/2010/01/28/ipad-mania-apple-introduces-giant-binky/
It’s Adobe. Flash sucks on Linux too. Actually, it’s no good on anything but Windows. So much for the Open Screen Project.
It was bound to happen with all the Google talk app crap happening.
Leave it to Jobs to rattle some cages. It is about time someone with some clout takes on the No Evil Kings
Apple and Googles goals are both the same. Like every other company they both want to get most profit out of their products. Profit maximisation!
I don’t like Googles “Do no Evil blabla” fairytale and i don’t like it that you can’t use a product like a f****ng mp3 player without registering with your credit card number and therefor installing a pice of crap software.
My SAMSUNG INTREPID from sprint can do flash just fine in the skyfire browser. Apple still no flashy washy! awwwww so sad….
I think we have finally found the perfect male companion for Michele Bachmann in the form of Jobs. He is turning into quite the evangelistic nut job. As far as innovation goes, I would have to offer up the fact that even technological platforms can harbor wingnuts (fanboys). Lets just let the market decide what will or will not survive.
Ah but does the iPad fully support html5?
Many really great tech CEOs are crazy. Compare him to Larry Ellison and Steve comes across as moderately normal.
As for Apple being responsible for Flash being buggy on the mac, I am reasonably sure that Apple’s desire to keep an API service boundary in front of video merely prevents Flash from having fast video. This should have no effect on stability or on the behavior and performance of Flash based games. That should all be 100% Adobe’s problem to get right or wrong.
Frankly, other than Photoshop and Lightoom (which I love), everything else I have from Adobe is bloated, hard to use, and/or buggy. The built in PDF in Mac OS X is so much cleaner and less intrusive than the one from Adobe. It’s all kind of too bad. They make powerful software, but the company really needs some major engineering makeovers.
Anybody else sensing the possibility of Google buying Adobe this year? What do you think it would mean if it happened?
Google would be one-step closer to global domination.
I’d love to see Adobe and Apple go at it. Since Apple computers are still highly recognized in the design world. If Photoshop suddenly stopped working so well on Apples, I wonder what would happen…
Why does the iP*d not run Flash? Because it’s a plugin that needs to be run as another task?
I know it doesn’t matter, because the fanboys have all chosen their sides, but in case anyone is even remotely interested in the actual facts, not bullshit corporate spin, Flash isn’t particularly buggy. I say this as someone who has been working in Flash since back when it was Futurewave Splash, and who’s wife is a senior producer on a predominately Flash site, with over 30 million unique visitors a month.
You can have all the half-baked theories, dogmatic statements, anecdotal evidence and rants about the evils of proprietary formats you want, but I have a decade of QA and usability tests behind me when I say that it is a pretty stable environment, more than capable of large scale deployment. Sure, it can be a pain to debug, but the environment itself is certainly more stable than something like, say, Quicktime. Now, that isn’t to say that everyone who calls themselves a Flash “programmer” has any idea what they are doing, but you can’t blame the development environment for the incompetence of the developer.
Ironic since Apple owes Adobe big time; Photoshop is what saved Apple from collapse years ago.
Now Jobs is mouthing off about them… how about showing a little bit of gratitude?!
… and I should add that calling Google’s motto of “Don’t be evil” a bunch of bullshit is really a hypocritical holier-than-thou attitude… Apple really isn’t in a position to talk.
What has Google done that is more “evil” than anything Apple has done?
I would say Google has lived up to the mantra in many more ways than Apple has.
Wow… with that amount of evidence you presented i don’t know how more pople don’t agree!
He’s super right about the HTML5 thing.
He’s also right about Google being full of shit and the Nexus being competition. I hear water is wet.
…Yeah, because being competitive in a lucrative market is “evil.” Look dumbass, it’s not like Apple has been in the cell phone market from the beginning and Google suddenly showed up and started stealing market share with shady business practices. Apple showed up three years ago with the iphone and took a direct shot at Nokia and all the WinMo devices, most of which still do far more than the iphone does. Apple is the one that showed up with a substandard product, then sold millions of units with crafty marketing. How is what Google is doing, a newcomer to the mobile phone market simply pushing their product, any more “evil” than what Apple has done with the iphone?
Don’t be so completely ignorant.
Whether Flash is garbage or not – the reason Steve Jobs is ripping it has only to do with app profits. When Flash will run ‘apps’ too – you keep it off your machine.
As for Google.
Go Android !
Kiddies play in a sandbox.
Common Steve you have to try harder.. We saw how cool was your iPad with fullllll of features and you are fit enough to comment on others…
You WILL eat your greens, and LIKE THEM…..!
No Soup for you!…
“He called the release of the Nexus phone a direct attack on the iPhone”.. and what did Nokia think about iPhone when you realsed that shit? who cares about iPhone ? it s a media bullshit.
Funny, the world’s most “advanced” operating system can’t run Flash with stability while so-called inferior, crappy Windows can. I thought the most advanced things in the world have the ability to resolve these issues.
They are competitors, Jobs is just in a position that allows him to really speak his mind about the competition and not have to sugarcoat it. Calling out Google doesn’t mean that Jobs thinks that Apple is always doing good, it is just a realistic worldview; and of course he would call Adobe lazy, did you expect him to extol the competition’s greatness to his own employees?
I don’t believe it is Flash that is buggy as much as it is poorly written Flash or ActionScript files/sites. I see this as a problem with any open environment, which, IMHO, the iPhone, iPad etc is not. I say it is not because if its Flash based, Apple won’t allow it. For instance, Apple could allow Flash development on the platform, but make sure the app fits their criteria before offereing it in the app store. However, Jobs would rather try to convince us all that it is Flash that sucks. It isn’t about bugs, or performance. Apple simply wants Adobe to fail here. I’m not sure if it has much impact other than to stir a bunch of us to write these comments, but I simply can’t be convinced it is anything other than Jobs’ wanting to shake off any idea that he succeeded because Adobe succeeded. Which one would think he’d be over by now.
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I never get so sensitive with Steve’s talks.
In fact, Flash is buggy and Mr trouble.
In other way, I admire Flash as much potential
stuff. So I do agree with Steve’s view.
Flash definitely has changed the expression by
world wide web and we need it for latest web
activities.
However HTML 5 might overcome Flash in
near days against our expect.
http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
[HTML 5 only online photo editor]
Totally agree about Adobe being lazy. They got lucky getting their software on most web browsers, it sure wasn’t due to software quality.
If they’d just buckle down and fix every crasher they could find, I’m sure they’d be a lot less reviled.
The 6th point of the 10 point corporate philosophy of Google is ‘You can make money without doing evil ‘ and NOT ‘do no evil’. The two aren’t exactly the same. ‘Don’t be evil’ sounds like being a saint without a context being attached to it. In contrast, ‘You can make money without doing evil ‘ appears that much more achievable.
‘Don’t be evil’ or ‘do no evil’ is a misrepresentation of Google’s corporate mantra.
You can see Google’s Corporate Philosophy at:
http://www.google.com/corporate/tenthings.html